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How much tumeric do you give? I've been thinking about that but know nothing about it so am wary of side effects, etc. Do you think it makes much difference?
No side effects and Rafi has a sensitive stomach. I am out of town at the moment but will look at the bottle when I get home. I definitely noticed a difference!
 

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Well, I just received Dolly OFA hip and elbow results which are hips=good, elbows=normal. Still waiting on an appointment for surgeon consult and MRI.

One interesting thing to note. Her severe pain is coming from her left side spine right above the hip bone. She still is in pain to date.
 

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Sorry to hear she is still in pain. I'm glad her hips and elbows are not an issue, though. It would be horrible to have another pain issue on top of the spondylosis. Best of luck when you do get an appointment with a surgeon!
 

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Didn't read the whole thread, but you need a specialty vet.

I've had 3 major spine surgeries and can tell you that there is more to diagnosing than just saying "spondylosis."

Don't give up.

"Spondylosis is not a Clinical Diagnosis

As with many other terms to describe spinal problems, spondylosis is more of a descriptive term than it is a diagnosis. Literally it can be translated to mean that one has both pain and spine degeneration, regardless of what is causing the pain or where the degeneration is occurring."
 

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Bow Wow has given you a great list!

I would also add the Adequan injections and chiropractics which helped our past GSD.

There is a registered Holistic clinic right in Raleigh that provides the following below: Bowman Animal Hospital & Cat Clinic, Raleigh, NC
Bowman Animal Hospital
8308 Creedmoor Rd.
Raleigh, NC 27613
[email protected]
Tel: 919-847-6216

Modalities

  • Acupuncture
  • Acupuncture (IVAS)
  • Applied Kinesiology
  • Chinese Herbs
  • Chiropractic
  • Clinical Nutrition
  • Conventional Medicine
  • Electromagnetic therapy: EAV - Interro -Biotron II - etc
  • Glandular Therapy
  • Homeopathy
  • Homotoxicology
  • IAT (Immuno-Augmentive Therapy)
  • Nutrition
  • Ozone Therapy
  • Reiki
  • VOM
  • Western Herbs


Other Modalities
Laser Therapy, Nutraceuticals

Moms:)
 

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So to update:

I've had two specialists examine Dolly. Both came to the same conclusion that she is suffering from a mild case of vertebral spondylosis and both agreed that it does not appear to be her source of pain since it is very mild.

It appears that she either has DISH [Diffuse idiopathic skeletal hyperostosis] or IVDD [intervertebral disk disease] and said she is in major need of an MRI to confirm and start treatment.

If I run my finger down the left side of her spine (from her neck to tail) it has no effect until I touch right beside her spine and hip bone. She jumps like she has been shocked by electricity and cries in pain for several seconds seeking comfort.:(

What is odd is that I've noticed since a puppy that if you place your hand on her her back over her tail and she is not looking she jumps. I always thought it was due to a slight fear but thunder, guns, dogs, cars, and people have no effect on her.. She has always been fearless minus if you placed your hand on her spine above her hips.. so it only makes sense that she has had this going on since she was a puppy and I'm only finding out about it now.

I recall being at a K9 function where one of our k9 sheriffs was inspecting Dolly and was commenting on her ball drive and good looks :D but when he went to pet her (touched her hip/spine area) she jumped and he said she seems a little skittish when touched.

I feel terrible.
 

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I know it's impossible to not feel terrible in this situation, but it isn't your fault that this happened. We all wish animals could just tell us when something is wrong with them. But, since they can't, we just do the best we can. You are doing the best you can. Try not to beat yourself up about this too much (I say this knowing full well that it is impossible to NOT beat yourself up... I still feel guilty for not second guessing our first vet sooner). Hopefully whatever is actually wrong with Dolly will be at least somewhat fixable. Hopefully she will recover from this and still be able to have a full and active life.
 

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UPDATE: Dolly's first appointment is tomorrow March 2nd at NC State's Vet Neurology dept. It has taken forever to get an appointment and now that it's almost here I'm so **** nervous as I'm afraid of what they will say the issue is. They have made a full 10am+ appointment in the event we want to consult and then go right to MRI then surgery if it's on the table.

We are ready to do whatever but I'm just hoping it's nothing huge.. we will see.
 

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No matter what the outcome of the appointment, at least you will walk away knowing exactly what you are dealing with. I hope everything goes well. You will be in my thoughts!
 

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UPDATE: Neurology didn't find anything conclusive after all their tests and decided to send Dolly to the Orthopedic surgeon for a full consult. After doing another round of consulting and x-rays they have concluded it is not Ortho and are sending her back to Neuro for blood work and ultimately an MRI first thing in the morning which will be an all day affair. Poor girl, she is not happy about any of this.
 

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Oh my goodness. I really hope they're able to figure this out! Poor Dolly. :(
Thanks Nikki.

The plan is to drop her off at the Neuro department at 7:30am and leave her..just the leaving part has me in a panic. She has been a part of everything we do since a small puppy. Every vacation has her included... :(

Once I get through leaving her they will MRI and do a spinal tap while she is under anesthesia. I'll make sure to report back results.
 

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I know how difficult it is to leave a family member for the day... We had to leave Roxy for all five of her surgeries and it was just awful not having her with us. Just know that you are leaving her for a very good reason! You all will continue to be in my thoughts!
 

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UPDATE: Dolly had her MRI and spinal tap done.

The spinal tap resulted normally so that's good.

The MRI concluded she has type 2 IVDD which is a bulging disc pushing into lower lumbar area which is causing her severe pain.

So Dolly has Vertebral Spondylosis and Inter-Vertebral Disk Disease at age 3. Amazing.

The neurologist did not recommend we do surgery "at the moment" but did say that she must be a couch potato for the next 4 weeks and we can slowly introduce longer walks and mild play after that.

If her pain becomes severe again or we start to notice any sign of leg weakness or incontinence that we should then jump into surgery. But she agrees that Dolly is way too young to be suffering from this which mainly plagues much older dogs.

So, we have the same outcome with more confidence.
 

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I apologize in advance if I'm throwing too many questions at you while you are still processing Dolly's diagnosis. Did they recommend any other treatment (lasers, acupuncture, chiropractic) or meds? Supplements? I am so sorry you guys have to deal with this. Your family and Dolly continue to be in my thoughts.
 

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I'm so sorry to hear about your girl :( I hope the disc returns to normal with rest :)

My crossbreed rescue dog who's around 3 years old has just been diagnosed with spondilosis too. She gets periods of intense pain and bad lameness in one hind leg where she struggles to get out of her bed, then after a few days she will be okay and running around again. X-rays found spondilosis, but the vet said that spondilosis is usually an incidental finding on x-rays and it shouldn't be causing her pain like this unless there is also associated disc disease. At the moment she's okay and running round again...
The x-rays also found mild hip dysplasia with minimal arthritis changes, which again the vet said shouldn't be causing pain like this. Her stifles are okay, and we've done blood tests for all kinds of things, including tick-borne diseases and rheumatism and they've all come back negative.
 

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Oh my goodness. :(

I would say I would use evidence based practices if anything IS recommended by the vets - things that have shown some efficacy, and use the money on a good, flat bed, a Ruffwear harness (if both are okay with the vet) and putting the rest aside in case surgery is needed.
 
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