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Is it better to have an ovarian sparing spay on a 4 yr old bitch vs a traditional spay or at that age would it not matter?

My current bitch is 2 yrs old and has HD, I am looking into getting another GSD in a couple or more years if her HD worsens.

I won't be replacing her but the original goals that I intended to do with her may not be physically possible for her in the future.

Obviously, I will be looking at getting a male and would, therefore, need to get my bitch spayed.

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I think some people would say that an ovary-sparing spay would always be better (if you can find someone that does those?). If she can keep her hormones it would be better for her, however, if you have an intact male around then he will still be attracted to her and you may need to separate them anyway. Females can get hurt by persistent males, even if she can't get pregnant. Personally, ovary-sparing spays are not common here, so I'm getting my 2 year old female a laparoscopic spay (removing the ovaries only), because I'm worried about the large incision on a traditional spay as she is very active, and I'm hoping recovery will be quicker!!
 

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I think some people would say that an ovary-sparing spay would always be better (if you can find someone that does those?). If she can keep her hormones it would be better for her, however, if you have an intact male around then he will still be attracted to her and you may need to separate them anyway. Females can get hurt by persistent males, even if she can't get pregnant. Personally, ovary-sparing spays are not common here, so I'm getting my 2 year old female a laparoscopic spay (removing the ovaries only), because I'm worried about the large incision on a traditional spay as she is very active, and I'm hoping recovery will be quicker!!
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I was wondering if her hormones would be affected since she would be passed the developing stage of growth as opposed to a yearling bitch.

Finding a vet over here to perform an OSS is limited.

There is a local vet who specialises in lap spays.

I'm in no rush to get her done, just gathering information.

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I've spayed adult female Boxers and they lived to 12 and 13. If I could, I would always go laparoscopic.

I haven't really looked into ovarian sparing spays. I guess the question is, if they still have their ovaries, do they still go into heat? And since you are getting a male, will you still have to keep them apart so the male doesn't try to breed her and hurt her?
 

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I've spayed adult female Boxers and they lived to 12 and 13. If I could, I would always go laparoscopic.

I haven't really looked into ovarian sparing spays. I guess the question is, if they still have their ovaries, do they still go into heat? And since you are getting a male, will you still have to keep them apart so the male doesn't try to breed her and hurt her?
I had to quickly look that up. Yes, they will still produce progesterone and come into heat and will stand for the dog but will not be able to produce.

During the day they will be kept in a divided kennel and run and be together when I can supervise them.



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So, can the female be hurt by the male mounting her? Just like a woman having a hysterectomy, there is a change that the vaginal canal will be to "short" afterwards, causing pain. At 6, dogs are considered seniors so I would just do the laparoscopic full spay. It doesn't make sense to me to put my dogs thru that if breeding is not an option And it is NOT fun. I have an intact male and a young female who may be bred someday. Crate and rotate, screaming dogs...ugh.
 

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I had a traditional spay done on my 4 year old last summer. Since she was fully mature at that point, my vet and I agreed there was no benefit to her continuing to be subjected to waves of hormones.

The surgery was rocky.... one ovary was normal, the second had a number of luteal cysts, and some hardening. Her recovery after the first 2 days was fantastic, even though they had to widen the incision and she was under for longer than typical. I am 100% glad I had it done traditionally (in its entirety).

She’s had no change at all in work ethic / energy / attitude. I won’t lie, I won’t miss gambling money on trial entry fees if she goes in a week early or late.... and I don’t have to worry about rotating her and my male, ever.
 

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So, can the female be hurt by the male mounting her? Just like a woman having a hysterectomy, there is a change that the vaginal canal will be to "short" afterwards, causing pain. At 6, dogs are considered seniors so I would just do the laparoscopic full spay. It doesn't make sense to me to put my dogs thru that if breeding is not an option And it is NOT fun. I have an intact male and a young female who may be bred someday. Crate and rotate, screaming dogs...ugh.
I don't know if the female can be hurt by the male, I've tried to search for the answer but nothing came up.

I'll look into the laparoscopic spay.

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I had a traditional spay done on my 4 year old last summer. Since she was fully mature at that point, my vet and I agreed there was no benefit to her continuing to be subjected to waves of hormones.

The surgery was rocky.... one ovary was normal, the second had a number of luteal cysts, and some hardening. Her recovery after the first 2 days was fantastic, even though they had to widen the incision and she was under for longer than typical. I am 100% glad I had it done traditionally (in its entirety).

She’s had no change at all in work ethic / energy / attitude. I won’t lie, I won’t miss gambling money on trial entry fees if she goes in a week early or late.... and I don’t have to worry about rotating her and my male, ever.
That would be my worry, that she would lose her personality and work ethic.

It's good to know that has not been the case with your bitch.

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By removing the ovaries in a full spay, you remove the estrogen production. This caused my Malinois to instantly become dog aggressive. Deja is 6 and intact. I am leaning towards an OSS. Her hormones are serving her well but I am worried about Pyometra. My vet said that the vagina will change after an OSS and that she can get injured by a male after an OSS. She will still go into full heat, attract the males but there won't be any bleeding. After the first heat there is no longer any protection for mammary gland cancers after a full spay so that is not of any consideration.
 

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I had Carly spayed at 6. There was absolutely no change in drive or energy. She was exactly the same dog post surgery.
 

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I don't know if the female can be hurt by the male, I've tried to search for the answer but nothing came up.
It would certainly be possible that your female could get hurt by your intact male when she came into heat. Not only from that actual act, but just in general. Some males get quite aggressive in their persistence, and depending on the tolerance of your female it may result in a fight. Females often aren't receptive very long at all, and a dog trying to jump on her back constantly is going to test her patience I'm sure.

I would never leave them unattended when she is in heat if you choose to do the OSS. I think you will find even when supervised, your male will not listen or let up. It's different in dogs that don't spend much time together, but if they were living together it's a must. Even if your dogs somehow mated receptively, there is a chance it could hurt her and / or either could freak out and damage each other by trying to pull out during a tie. It wouldn't be worth the headache or risk for me personally.
 

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It would certainly be possible that your female could get hurt by your intact male when she came into heat. Not only from that actual act, but just in general. Some males get quite aggressive in their persistence, and depending on the tolerance of your female it may result in a fight. Females often aren't receptive very long at all, and a dog trying to jump on her back constantly is going to test her patience I'm sure.

I would never leave them unattended when she is in heat if you choose to do the OSS. I think you will find even when supervised, your male will not listen or let up. It's different in dogs that don't spend much time together, but if they were living together it's a must. Even if your dogs somehow mated receptively, there is a chance it could hurt her and / or either could freak out and damage each other by trying to pull out during a tie. It wouldn't be worth the headache or risk for me personally.
Sorry, I was answering Jax08 question on whether a bitch that has had an OSS can get hurt by the male due to the possibility of the vaginal canal being too short after the operation. I was looking to see if the vaginal wall was shortened.

Yes, due to the bitch still being able to come into heat, I would still need to keep them separated as I would if she remained intact.

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Kari01 answered it in full. I agree with her. I would do the full spay, laparoscopic would be my choice.
Yes, it seems to be the logical choice and the fact that the nearest vet to do the OSS is 100 miles away and the vet that performs the laparoscopic spay is 20 minutes away.

That and the risk of injury to both the bitch and dog when she comes into season.

I have a few more years before I decide to get a male.

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