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Waiting for my Long line show set to come in the mail until then the four foot shorty had to do lol.
 

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Nice high wither, good lay back of shoulder, upper arm should be longer. Good proportions. A bit overdone in the rear (I'd like to see his foot on the ground, as opposed to the whole hock).

Strong topline leading into a short, very steep croup. Would like to see more bone and overall substance, and a more masculine head.

Excellent color, pasterns could be firmer, feet are ok, but a bit flat. Would like a tighter foot overall and more bone. Excellent underline.

What's his breeding?
 

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Thank you for your detailed and honest reply. I am not sure why his feet look so flat they aren't, could something I am doing during the stack cause them to look this way? I can post some close up pictures if you would like later today so you could get a better look and advise me from there if you would like. I will make a mental note not to over stack in the rear. As far as overall substance it is a fight to get this dog to gain weight. I definitely agree he needs more to him lol maybe it's his age? Again thank you.
He is by Champion Kenlyn's Aries V Hicliff ROM and is out of Lindenhills Voodoo Charm.



 

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As far as overall substance it is a fight to get this dog to gain weight.
It's partially age, but substance is more than just weight :) It's breadth of ribcage, amount of bone, amount of chest, etc etc. Bailey has decent substance, but Charm, IMO, I would like to see "more" of and right now your puppy looks to be taking after his dam side.

An example of a bitch with beautiful substance:


A dog with beautiful substance:
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If you scroll down, you can see how evident it was even as a young age
 

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BTW, is this your first show puppy, or?

I don't want to make it sound like you've got an awful puppy (you don't), just trying to explain things clearly :)
 

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It is my first show shepherd I have been showing for nine years but other breeds. I settled on shepherds as my breed of choice this year. My mentor picked him for me... Should I rethink this pick?
 

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I understand what you are saying I am not taking it hard but I am a facts and logic type of person, that is why I ask if he is a good investment not for sentiment reason. I do thank you for your honesty it is much appreciated especially from someone without attachment to the specific dog. Plus I am still learning the standard.
 

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I think he'll do just fine for himself :) May not be the next GV, but I think you'll have fun with him ^_^
 

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IMO, a good dog should be able to win in both rings. My personal feeling is he'll probably do better in an all breed ring, but I am only one person, so take my opinion, and those of others, use what you can, and disregard what you can't (only for the time being....some things can be useful later).

Can he finish? Too young to say, really. He's going to change a ton over the next 18 months....and then even more over the next 12.

If your mentor knows GSD judges, I'd have her help you look for judges that may like his style
 

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I think he is a nice looking boy, with the potential to finish. Unfortunatly at this age, potential is still all you have. They go through so many growth spurts and changes, some you can ride out the uglies, some never do see the other side and some are lucky enough to barely hit them. I agree with Jackie's evaluation particularly head, she gave a great critique. For me I would like to see a better moving shot, in order to make a better eval. He has a good pedigree and I agree seems to be taking after the dams side. Right now I think he is worth waiting on, but your best bet if you are unsure is to take him out around more GSD people and get opinions from people who have seen the dog.

Your stack is partially what is throwing off his look. He is down on his hock, because you have it too far under his body. This in turn may change where his drawn back hind leg needs to be, but you have it very well lined up vertically for the hock. Look at the placement of the feet in his sire's photo...see how the under hind leg toes come in linement with the stifle/knee. I am not saying this will totally get his hock off the ground (he has a fair amount of rear), but it should help.

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Thank you. We have been doing some mirror work and I think we are finding our comfort zone. I have decided to keep him and put my best into him. I am toying around with the idea of a pro handler for his majors.
 

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Good for you, a pro handler would probably make the process faster. But you never know, keep working at it and you may surprise yourself. Keep us updated, would love to see how he grows up and develops.

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Question? If he were stacked on all four of his pads, would he be high in the rear? Would really like to see him on all four pads to give me a feel for his natural look.
 

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Question? If he were stacked on all four of his pads, would he be high in the rear? Would really like to see him on all four pads to give me a feel for his natural look.
Would that be to determine how much is the stacker/photographer and how much is actually the dog?
 

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His pasterns and feet look much better here!! In fact, he has pretty doggone nice feet!

The carpeting allowed the dog to "sink" and thus, flat feet.

He looks the tiniest bit butt high.

Noodles, I would suggest bringing that inner foot back just a bit more, like this:




It will make him look much more balanced. You don't need to make him look extreme, as he's already got quite a bit of rear.
 
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