SHARE what you all feed PLEASE...............

BTW......have 3 GS's under 5 & 1 Golden that's 9 yrs. . Would like a food that all can eat.

They have never been picky eaters & eat anything I give them.

If the Nutro did cause them to get sick so far just yesterday, should I take them right off IF we switch ? How about starting them up on something new then ?

We have been paying about $35 for a 40# or 44# of Nutro & would love to stay around this price.

So, NO recalls on Nutro ????????

Just making dogs have loose stools & vomit ? WHY ?


~Thanks~

I heard that about raw.

I seen a dog on raw poop once & yuck ! It smelled BAD & was so green & slimmy.

Is this normal ?

I have noticed our rescues breath smelling super bad & has I think since we got him !

I noticed recently now a faint smell of bad breath from our others, but not like the rescue. Had me thinking about the Nutro now !

Why the bad causing breath ?

hi,

I'm no expert, but I have been searching and reading about this topic for the past few weeks. On this board I found that someone posted the website for the Dog food project. It was invaluable to me!

http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=main

I was feeding solid gold. But it is a little pricy, I started to wonder if I was buying into hype. But after LEARNING how to read the ingredients (they make it so confusing) IMO Solid gold is a great food, but I was paying about $1.80/lbs where as Canidae was around $.83/lbs (from memory please excuse me if slightly incorrect on exact prices)

So, after many hours of research and long story short, I am switching to Canidae Lamb and rice.

Bits of info I got from the pet food project -

1. The main ingredients are listed before the first Fat or Oil product. (some foods have 9 main ingredients, some have only 2)

2. Cheep dog foods will split ingredients (lamb, brewers rice, brown rice flour, 'oil' rice) so if you really look, the meat would not be the first ingredient if they hadn't split the fillers.

3. Any 'flour' products have no nutritional value.

I guess just read like crazy! Be careful not to by any food that states it has "meat by-product or meat meal" or ANY other unspecified animal source.

Quote from the pet food project
""Meat Meal" of no particular species which is not required to originate from a slaughtered animal. By definition this leaves it at the manufacturer's discretion to include materials declared unfit for human consumption, from 4-D animals (dead, dying, disabled, or diseased) as well as "any parts of the carcasses of any animals that died otherwise than by slaughter" - for example road kill and euthanized pets that happened to end up at the same rendering facility."

Sorry, but it is scary out there, and this is the Tip of the Iceburg!!!

I have read that since lamb is more expensive than Chicken the lesser quality brands will build up the fillers, so you really aren't getting as much lamb as you would chicken. but here is canidae breakdown vs Nutro (everyones favorite today).

Canidae's main ingredients- Lamb Meal, Brown rice, Canola oil.

Nutro's main ingredients - Lamb Meal, Ground Rice, Rice Flour, Rice Bran, Rice Gluten, Poultry Fat

Poultry fat is considered non- specific, it isn't chicken folks! - see the last paragraph if you really want to know...

Canidae Lamb Meal & Rice Dry Dog Food

Ingredients:
Lamb Meal, Brown Rice, Canola Oil (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Flax Seed, Sun cured Alfalfa Meal, Sunflower Oil, Lamb, Lecithin, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Linoleic Acid, Rosemary Extract, Sage Extract, Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Extract, Dried Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Extract, Inulin (from Chicory Root), Saccharomyces Cerevisiae Fermentation Solubles, L-Lysine, Taurine, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Mixed Tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Cobalt Amino Acid Chelate, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Riboflavin (source of Vitamin B2), Beta Carotene, Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid, D-Biotin, Organic Selenium, Dried Papaya, Dried Pineapple, Vitamin B12 Supplement.

Guaranteed Analysis %:
Crude Protein (min.) 21
Crude Fat (min.) 12.5
Moisture (max.) 10
Crude Fiber (max.) 4
Lenoleic Acid (Omega 6) (min.) 3.55
Calcium (min.) 1.4
Phosphorus (min.) 1
Alpha Linolenic Acid (Omega 3) (min.) 0.75


Calculated Caloric Content
ME (kcal/kg) 4022
ME (kcal/g) 4.03
ME (kcal/lb) 1828
ME (kcal/cup) 457

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Nutro Natural Choice Lamb & Rice Large Breed Adult Dog Formula

Ingredients:
Lamb Meal, Ground Rice, Rice Flour, Rice Bran, Rice Gluten, Poultry Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Natural Flavors, Dried Beet Pulp, Sunflower Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Potassium Chloride, Dried Egg Product, Dried Kelp, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Ferrous Sulfate, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Biotin, Manganese Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Chondroitin Sulfate, Niacin, Calcium Iodate, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Garlic, Vitamin A Supplement, Copper Sulfate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Copper Proteinate, Sodium Selenite, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid.

Guaranteed Analysis %:
Crude Protein (minimum) 24
Crude Fat (minimum) 13
Moisture (maximum) 10
Crude Fiber (maximum) 4
Linoleic Acid (minimum) 3.5
Calcium (maximum) 1.5
Phosphorus (maximum) 1.3
Calcium (minimum) 1
Phosphorus (minimum) 0.6


Poultry Fat
AAFCO: Obtained from the tissue of poultry in the commercial process of rendering or extracting. It shall contain only the fatty matter natural to the product produced under good manufacturing practices and shall contain no added free fatty acids or other materials obtained from fat. It must contain not less than 90 percent total fatty acids and not more than 3 percent of unsaponifiables and impurities. It shall have a minimum titer of 33 degrees Celsius. If an antioxidant is used, the common name or names must be indicated, followed by the word "preservative(s)".

Note how in this product the source is not defined as "slaughtered poultry". The rendered fowl can be obtained from any source, so there is no control over quality or contamination. Any kind of animal can be included: "4-D animals" (dead, diseased, disabled, or dying prior to slaughter), turkey, chicken, geese, buzzard, seagulls, misc. roadkill, birds euthanized at shelters and so on.

i think the canidae all life stages has more meat sourced protein than the chicken/rice or lamb/rice formulas. 3 named meat meal sources in the first 5 ingredients. you dont see that much except in some of the grainless foods. i only wished it had worked for my pup, but it just didnt. on a price/quality comparison i think canidae is tops if it can work for your dog.

canidae all life stages:

Ingredient list:
Chicken Meal, Turkey Meal, Brown Rice, White Rice, Lamb Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Meal, Flax Seed, Sun Cured Alfalfa Meal, Sunflower Oil, Chicken, Lecithin, Monocalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Linoleic Acid, Rosemary Extract, Sage Extract, Dried Enterococcus Faecium, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Extract, Dried Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Extract, Inulin (from Chicory root), Saccharomyces Cerevisiae Fermentation Solubles, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Mixed Tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Cobalt Amino Acid Chelate, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Riboflavin (source of B2), Beta Carotene, Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid, D-Biotin, Sodium Selenite, Papaya, Vitamin B12 Supplement.


Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (min.) 24.00%
Crude Fat (min.) 14.50%
Crude Fiber (max.) 4.00%
Moisture (min.) 10.00%
Linoleic Acid (Omega 6) (min.) 3.70%
Vitamin E (min.) 200.00 IU/kg
Calcium (min.) 1.20%
Phosphorus (min.) 0.90%
Alpha Linoleic Acid (Omega 3) (min.) 0.60%
Ascorbic Acid (min.) 50.00 mg/kg
Cellulase (a) (min.) 100 CMCU/kg
Magnesium (min.) 0.14%
pH 6.5%

Thing is............

One yr. this food is the best & then the next it seems to all change.

I'm not one for change......if the dogs eat it, like it, look good, are healthy, & no problems.....I like to stay with it ! They have all done this on Nutro over the yrs. . Our rescue looks completely different ! NOT skin & bones ! Coat is shinny black & he looks good.

Now, reading bad info & seeing better foods out there, makes you feel your feeding crap !

We want a food that has been around & will continue to be around. Safe & is great quality ! One not to go to the bottom of the list in a 1 or 2 yrs. !

I know many breeders have to have been using the same food over & over for yrs. ! If so, what ?