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I know there has been many small posts on food lately DUE to NUTRO now ! I have used this food for yrs. & have been happy with. I heard of it here. People were using & recommended it. So, I switched to it & have been using for yrs. & have liked it. Dogs look healthy.

Well, after reading the new consumer report thing, I had all 4 dogs sick the last few days. Seems odd to me & has me thinking the food. This happened after opening a new bag Sat. . We feed Nurto Lg. Breed Adult !

Looking to now switch since it seems Nutro has went to the bottom of the list !

So, what do you all feed, stayed with, love, used for yrs. with great results, & fel is SAFE ????

Talking about dry kibble here, but would like to know what everyone feeds !

Thought of going raw, but with 4 dogs...........not sure & don't know nothing about how much, what, 7 how often to feed !

Right now I need to switch the kibble since they have been sick & need suggestions please...........



TOP 3 dry kibbles out there ?

I know Canidae is one & if I can find ! Is there any certain Canidae food ? I do like food for Lg. Breeds !

It would be nice to find a food that you can ALWAYS find (like they don't do away with it) & get from Petsmart or Tractor Supply. The 2 places I buy from.

Anyone know anything on Diamond Premium ?


Thanks much.................
 

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I don't know anything about Diamond Premium -

We started with Innova Large Breed Puppy and now feed Innova Large Breed Adult, mixed with a few tablespoons of Merrick's canned Grammy's Pot Pie. Merrick also makes the same flavors in dry food and I think it might be available at PetSmart or Tractor Supply, but I'm not sure. I know the Innova is only available at certain pet supply stores (at least around here).
 

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I feed all 3 of our dogs RAW/BARF (2 GSD puppies and a Korean Jindo). Until our GSD passed away he was on RAW too.

I learned everything I needed to know from the forum here and Raw Dog Ranch. The person who runs raw dog rance is a poster here on this site too.

After reading RAW for 2+ years now, I would NEVER go back. It's cheaper (at least cheaper than feeding a HQ kibble, not cheaper than feeding a LQ kibble), better for them (IMO) and has some huge benefits (more energy, better coats, less shedding, less allergy problems, smaller poops)

Just my 2 cents
 

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BTW......have 3 GS's under 5 & 1 Golden that's 9 yrs. . Would like a food that all can eat.

They have never been picky eaters & eat anything I give them.

If the Nutro did cause them to get sick so far just yesterday, should I take them right off IF we switch ? How about starting them up on something new then ?

We have been paying about $35 for a 40# or 44# of Nutro & would love to stay around this price.

So, NO recalls on Nutro ????????

Just making dogs have loose stools & vomit ? WHY ?


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Oh, and here is a great, unbiased web site with reviews of almost all kibble, you should hopefully find what you are looking for!

http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/

FWIW - Our breeder suggests either RAW or Canidae and her dogs are beautiful, championship winning dogs.
 

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I heard that about raw.

I seen a dog on raw poop once & yuck ! It smelled BAD & was so green & slimmy.

Is this normal ?

I have noticed our rescues breath smelling super bad & has I think since we got him !

I noticed recently now a faint smell of bad breath from our others, but not like the rescue. Had me thinking about the Nutro now !

Why the bad causing breath ?
 

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Originally Posted By: LuvourGSs
I seen a dog on raw poop once & yuck ! It smelled BAD & was so green & slimmy.
I've not experienced that from any of our dogs, so I can't speak much about that. Mine have always had the "classic raw poop" i.e. small, not smelly, and breaks into dust the following day.

I would not recommend RAW if you do not have the time and the committment to do the proper research of the diet and to execute it properly. I was just sharing what I feed


If you do want any information on the raw diet, there are lots of knowledgeable folks in the BARF/RAW forum on here, and as I said, lots of info on what/how much to feed on the Raw Dog Ranch.

The bad breath I am sure is just another symptom of the bad stomach. It's common in people too who have very bad stomachs.
 

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just a quick note that Diamond also manufactures a pretty identical food which is sold at Costco. 20 bucks for 40lbs. i used it for a brief time and was satisfied until Diamond had a recall on some of their other foods. it was alot of bang for your buck, i loved the value and the ingredients, but i'm pretty faithful to canidae or natural balance. im also between the two. learning towards going raw now in another month or so once my oldest girl is over whatever "bug" she has.
 

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Thanks for the link............geesh, Nutro is far from on the good list ! WOW ! I have heard of this food here & people liked, recommended, & were feeding yrs. ago & liked !

On the Innova or Canidae, what kind is good for all our dogs ? The life stages for Canidae foods, but not sure on the other ?

Ok, keep sharing people please..............




Originally Posted By: DannayOh, and here is a great, unbiased web site with reviews of almost all kibble, you should hopefully find what you are looking for!

http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/

FWIW - Our breeder suggests either RAW or Canidae and her dogs are beautiful, championship winning dogs.
 

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hi,

I'm no expert, but I have been searching and reading about this topic for the past few weeks. On this board I found that someone posted the website for the Dog food project. It was invaluable to me!

http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=main

I was feeding solid gold. But it is a little pricy, I started to wonder if I was buying into hype. But after LEARNING how to read the ingredients (they make it so confusing) IMO Solid gold is a great food, but I was paying about $1.80/lbs where as Canidae was around $.83/lbs (from memory please excuse me if slightly incorrect on exact prices)

So, after many hours of research and long story short, I am switching to Canidae Lamb and rice.

Bits of info I got from the pet food project -

1. The main ingredients are listed before the first Fat or Oil product. (some foods have 9 main ingredients, some have only 2)

2. Cheep dog foods will split ingredients (lamb, brewers rice, brown rice flour, 'oil' rice) so if you really look, the meat would not be the first ingredient if they hadn't split the fillers.

3. Any 'flour' products have no nutritional value.

I guess just read like crazy! Be careful not to by any food that states it has "meat by-product or meat meal" or ANY other unspecified animal source.

Quote from the pet food project
""Meat Meal" of no particular species which is not required to originate from a slaughtered animal. By definition this leaves it at the manufacturer's discretion to include materials declared unfit for human consumption, from 4-D animals (dead, dying, disabled, or diseased) as well as "any parts of the carcasses of any animals that died otherwise than by slaughter" - for example road kill and euthanized pets that happened to end up at the same rendering facility."

Sorry, but it is scary out there, and this is the Tip of the Iceburg!!!
 

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Is lamb/rice foods better than the chicken ? I have always went meats over the lamb/rice except when the puppy food was only made in lamb/rice !

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I feed raw with canned tripe or The Honest Kitchen added daily. Been doing the raw for almost 8 years with a few commercial food interruptions and his condition is always better on raw.
 

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I have read that since lamb is more expensive than Chicken the lesser quality brands will build up the fillers, so you really aren't getting as much lamb as you would chicken. but here is canidae breakdown vs Nutro (everyones favorite today).

Canidae's main ingredients- Lamb Meal, Brown rice, Canola oil.

Nutro's main ingredients - Lamb Meal, Ground Rice, Rice Flour, Rice Bran, Rice Gluten, Poultry Fat

Poultry fat is considered non- specific, it isn't chicken folks! - see the last paragraph if you really want to know...

Canidae Lamb Meal & Rice Dry Dog Food

Ingredients:
Lamb Meal, Brown Rice, Canola Oil (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Flax Seed, Sun cured Alfalfa Meal, Sunflower Oil, Lamb, Lecithin, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Linoleic Acid, Rosemary Extract, Sage Extract, Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Extract, Dried Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Extract, Inulin (from Chicory Root), Saccharomyces Cerevisiae Fermentation Solubles, L-Lysine, Taurine, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Mixed Tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Cobalt Amino Acid Chelate, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Riboflavin (source of Vitamin B2), Beta Carotene, Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid, D-Biotin, Organic Selenium, Dried Papaya, Dried Pineapple, Vitamin B12 Supplement.

Guaranteed Analysis %:
Crude Protein (min.) 21
Crude Fat (min.) 12.5
Moisture (max.) 10
Crude Fiber (max.) 4
Lenoleic Acid (Omega 6) (min.) 3.55
Calcium (min.) 1.4
Phosphorus (min.) 1
Alpha Linolenic Acid (Omega 3) (min.) 0.75


Calculated Caloric Content
ME (kcal/kg) 4022
ME (kcal/g) 4.03
ME (kcal/lb) 1828
ME (kcal/cup) 457

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Nutro Natural Choice Lamb & Rice Large Breed Adult Dog Formula

Ingredients:
Lamb Meal, Ground Rice, Rice Flour, Rice Bran, Rice Gluten, Poultry Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Natural Flavors, Dried Beet Pulp, Sunflower Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Potassium Chloride, Dried Egg Product, Dried Kelp, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Ferrous Sulfate, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Biotin, Manganese Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Chondroitin Sulfate, Niacin, Calcium Iodate, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Garlic, Vitamin A Supplement, Copper Sulfate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Copper Proteinate, Sodium Selenite, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid.

Guaranteed Analysis %:
Crude Protein (minimum) 24
Crude Fat (minimum) 13
Moisture (maximum) 10
Crude Fiber (maximum) 4
Linoleic Acid (minimum) 3.5
Calcium (maximum) 1.5
Phosphorus (maximum) 1.3
Calcium (minimum) 1
Phosphorus (minimum) 0.6


Poultry Fat
AAFCO: Obtained from the tissue of poultry in the commercial process of rendering or extracting. It shall contain only the fatty matter natural to the product produced under good manufacturing practices and shall contain no added free fatty acids or other materials obtained from fat. It must contain not less than 90 percent total fatty acids and not more than 3 percent of unsaponifiables and impurities. It shall have a minimum titer of 33 degrees Celsius. If an antioxidant is used, the common name or names must be indicated, followed by the word "preservative(s)".

Note how in this product the source is not defined as "slaughtered poultry". The rendered fowl can be obtained from any source, so there is no control over quality or contamination. Any kind of animal can be included: "4-D animals" (dead, diseased, disabled, or dying prior to slaughter), turkey, chicken, geese, buzzard, seagulls, misc. roadkill, birds euthanized at shelters and so on.
 

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So, do we need to watch our treats we use then ?

Not sure now if the treats might have made our dogs sick. I have been buying the sm/med sized milkbone look alikes at T & S, Petsmart, Sams, & Wal-Mart ! I have been doing tons of training & use for this or just to give a treat !

Also, use Bill Jac, Best Buddy cookies, & etc !

If feeding raw, what do you use as treats ? Are treats safe ?
 

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i think the canidae all life stages has more meat sourced protein than the chicken/rice or lamb/rice formulas. 3 named meat meal sources in the first 5 ingredients. you dont see that much except in some of the grainless foods. i only wished it had worked for my pup, but it just didnt. on a price/quality comparison i think canidae is tops if it can work for your dog.

canidae all life stages:

Ingredient list:
Chicken Meal, Turkey Meal, Brown Rice, White Rice, Lamb Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Meal, Flax Seed, Sun Cured Alfalfa Meal, Sunflower Oil, Chicken, Lecithin, Monocalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Linoleic Acid, Rosemary Extract, Sage Extract, Dried Enterococcus Faecium, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Extract, Dried Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Extract, Inulin (from Chicory root), Saccharomyces Cerevisiae Fermentation Solubles, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Mixed Tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Cobalt Amino Acid Chelate, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Riboflavin (source of B2), Beta Carotene, Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid, D-Biotin, Sodium Selenite, Papaya, Vitamin B12 Supplement.


Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (min.) 24.00%
Crude Fat (min.) 14.50%
Crude Fiber (max.) 4.00%
Moisture (min.) 10.00%
Linoleic Acid (Omega 6) (min.) 3.70%
Vitamin E (min.) 200.00 IU/kg
Calcium (min.) 1.20%
Phosphorus (min.) 0.90%
Alpha Linoleic Acid (Omega 3) (min.) 0.60%
Ascorbic Acid (min.) 50.00 mg/kg
Cellulase (a) (min.) 100 CMCU/kg
Magnesium (min.) 0.14%
pH 6.5%
 

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Thing is............

One yr. this food is the best & then the next it seems to all change.


I'm not one for change......if the dogs eat it, like it, look good, are healthy, & no problems.....I like to stay with it ! They have all done this on Nutro over the yrs. . Our rescue looks completely different ! NOT skin & bones ! Coat is shinny black & he looks good.

Now, reading bad info & seeing better foods out there, makes you feel your feeding crap !

We want a food that has been around & will continue to be around. Safe & is great quality ! One not to go to the bottom of the list in a 1 or 2 yrs. !

I know many breeders have to have been using the same food over & over for yrs. ! If so, what ?
 

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I've fed my pack quite a variety in the last 2 years due to Berr's allergies. I liked Canidae. Nature's receipe isn't bad. Natural Balance was good (except Berr gained a lot of weight on the potato and duck). Timberwolf was awesome, except it's outragiously expensive now. Currently I'm feeding Taste of the Wild, Pacific Salmon (or whatever the fish one is called). Lower protein the rest (26% I think) and reasonably priced (very cheap, compared to TWO!) A 30 pound bag is lasting a month (3 and 1/10 dogs)and the poop output is pretty low. Everyone likes it and we're not having any itchies or gunky ears.
 

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Morgan is on canidae now since that's what our puppy breeder feeds. I wanted to see if she likes it and get her on it so she won't be tempted to eat the puppy's food.

Used to feed chicken soup and neura (not nutro) wellness. She did very well on those.

My Luther was allergic to chicken and had seizures, he did well on neura wellness lamb.
 
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