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Our vet has given Bacchus the diagnosis of sarcopitc mange! Not a label you really want to hear associated with your dog. Does anyone have any experience with this? I was told he probably caught it from the outside elements (since we have a number of wild animals). My other guess is at the groomers perhaps (and if that is the case there is no way for me to prove it) since his favorite past time outside is trying to catch and kill our local family of squirrels.

He is missing fur from the tip of his ears, his back left leg (just on the side), his right flank there is bald patch about the size of clementine that has scabs from scratching so much and the underneath of his belly. He has lost five lbs. in the last four weeks or so because he is so miserable from scratching all the time (lost his appetite). We gave him a cortisone shot about three to four weeks ago and it did squat..It actually got worse. He scratches habitually day in and day out (especially at night keeping me up because he sleeps at the side of our bed).. Anyway poor guy is miserable.

He gave him a shot if Ivermectin this morning and said he would probably need a couple of rounds of it but that after the second shot we should see a major improvement. Is there anything else that I can give him to give him a bit more comfort while we're waiting for the shots to work?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.
 

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My dogs got this a long time ago from a rabbit they killed in my backyard. Two of my dogs got almost immediate relief after the first shot; my other dog just about started ripping his skin apart from the increased itching. All the dogs were put on antibiotics for the sores and the itchy dog was given pred too. The good thing was the pred stopped the itching; the bad thing was the pred ulcerated his stomach within two days and my dog started vomiting blood and ended up in the ICU.

They were all completely fine in about three weeks. I had to tell everyone at dog school to check their dogs and, fortunately, no one else caught it from my dogs.
 

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You might want to give some supplements to boost his immune system. Poor guy! It's kind of like getting a note home that your kid has lice
 

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You might want to give some supplements to boost his immune system. Poor guy! It's kind of like getting a note home that your kid has lice
:eek: Exactly... What a "stigma" that word has, doesn't it. What kind of supplements would you recommend?
 

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Wow, that sucks. I know scabies is transferable to humans, but I'm unsure of how likely that is to happen. I'm surprised the cortisone injection didn't at least help. I don't know what else may cause relief aside from steroids.
I've never seen scabies, but I know demodex is another parasite that also buries into the skin. It's also treated with Ivermectin. Either that or Mitaban dips. Or both. I'd also give my dog a few days of antibiotics if areas of the skin are scratched raw or if there's open wounds just so they don't get infected. A cone or cone substitute would keep the tongue from licking the open wounds.

I'm new here so sorry if that's obvious information. =/
 

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Oh and if he's not eating, supplements you can give, as Stosh recommended, that I know of, are Hi-Vite or Nutri-Cal. They'll at least provide vitamins and minerals he's not getting from not eating.
 

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my aussie jynx had sarcoptic mange,,eee gads,,she tends to sleep right next to my head:))

Since she is an mdr1 dog, she cannot have ivermectin, I ended up having to take her in 3 times for 'dips', and she was on a antibiotic,

She DID itch much more after the 'dips', apparently the mange mites, get mighty riled up and start moving, thus making them itchy..

I swear I was itching to,,vet said YES people can catch it, but for the most part those mites prefer an animal..thank goodness the rest of them didn't get it..
 

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Still scratching......Is it really scoptic mange or?

Bacchus will be going for his third round of Ivermectin this week and the poor guy is still scratching and has lost even more hair.

I am confused though because from what I read online scoptic mange starts near the eyes and muzzle area. As you can see his face is clearly free of these hairloss (except for his ears).

Bacchus main hair loss is on both sides of his flanks and both of his hind quarters, ears and now his front legs. Does this look like mange? If anyone has any ideas I'd gladly listen. It's been a rough ride with Bacchus ever since he has turned a year old and all I want for him is to feel great and look great as he is a fantastic dog to our children and a integral part of our family.

He is on a grain free food. TotW (kibble) and Bravo (raw beef patties) I also give him Blue Buffalo Beef Stew. He is very picky with meat. And those two brands he seems to really like















 

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Just curious, has the bet done a blood draw? Has his thyroid been checked? He should be on cefalexin for antibiotics, or Baytril, to help with the sores from scratching. Infection from the scratching can cause secondary issues .
 

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Just curious, has the bet done a blood draw? Has his thyroid been checked? He should be on cefalexin for antibiotics, or Baytril, to help with the sores from scratching. Infection from the scratching can cause secondary issues .
We had a entire panel done last year because we thought he had a thryoid problem. It was done by Dr. Dodds in California and was fine.

He was on a round of cefalexin at the onset of this for seven days. But nothing after that.

Does it look like mange to you?
 

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To be honest, not like any mange I have seen, but that doesn't mean anything. One of my showdogs:bernese mountain dogs, had an infection on his neck. It was a skin issue that would not heal. Long story short, he was on cefalexin for 3 weeks, it finally cleared up. Sometimes a week is not long enough.
Did the vet do a black light on the spots?
 

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My dogs were misdiagnosed as having alergies for over 2 years. Turns out they had mange. If I remember correctly, they were given pills and the turn around was pretty dramatic. They looked way worse than the photos here by the time we started the right treatment.
Hair loss with sc. mange starts with ear tips and margins very often.
 

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my aussie had sarcoptic mange, and it didn't look like that,,(not saying it's not possible)..Her's was limited to her face/ eye/nose/ear/arm pit area...I couldn't give her anything oral (she's an mdr1 dog lots of no no meds),,but I did have her 'dipped' three times, once a week via the vet..

After the first one, she itched like crazy,,I'm told the mites start moving, under the skin so of course it's itchy everywhere...The second dip, not as bad, but still itchy, and the third dip she was ok...no more itching..

Have they tried the mitaban dips??
 

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I've seen sarcoptic mange and it didn't look like that. They usually call sarcoptic mange the red mange because they get real red and raw looking. I've also had scabies myself - not fun, worst case of itchiness I've ever had! Caught that when I worked as a nurse's aide in an alzheimer's unit. That spread like wildfire!
 

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Anyone want to troubleshoot?

THe more I read about it and the more pictures I see it just does not look like mange. I examined his "bald spots" and some skin is turning black, has some welts (I suppose from scratching so much) his ears inside are sore and red with dry blood :(. I just cannot believe that my vet can't figure it out.

Our breeder suggested perhaps some kind of bacterial infection, a yeast infection...that he may have caught from the groomers??? He was groomed on Dec. 21 was great (after several months of finally getting him back to health and putting him on grain free food, etc.) He was down to 82 lbs. during all the health problems with his food and was finally back up to 96 lbs. in December looking gorgeous. A couple of weeks later the severe scratching started. Did he catch something at the groomers?? Is it from the squirrel he killed? Ever since he has had Ivermectin shots it seems to have exasberated his condition----- whatever it is..
 

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the other day I wrote this long response to skin irritations and mange and then went "back" to check on a comment and lost the entire message. When I have some more time I will redo it.

In the meantime -- for those that don't know every Saturday I am at an organics market where I sell raw ground meats for raw fed dogs and the supplements I make which complete the diet, basic, oils and targeted digestion and immune. I also have out of the ordinary health aides , such as the Zymox for ears , recommended and introduced to me by my friend who is a naturapathic (and conventional) vet, and DEFENDEX "Flea , Tick and Mange Shampoo" manufactured by Vetionx which according to them is guaranteed to work.
I just sold a unit to a person who has a dog in utter torment from mange. VETiONX® Defendex? - Fleas, Ticks, Mange and Scabies Treatment Shampoo

Some years back ( 10 or more ) we had a situation where a lot of the coyotes were over abundant but their prey was not. Many were spotted walking no staggering is a better description , like some hairy rib cages, and then some found dead along the roadside in the ditches. They all had mange and the mange was in the environment . Pet dogs were exposed to it and that was a big issue for vets that year or two. The following year there were millions of rabbits. Every morning after a fresh snow all you saw was rabbit prints -- and in the spring young trees girded -- grr.

If it is not mange which should be determined by scrapings and exam under microscope then look at the possibility of it being malassezia Malassezia infections. DermNet NZ WestieMed - Malassezia Dermatitis Please google -- malassezia canine --- and you get pages and pages of information.
I have assisted in treating several dogs coming out of puppy mills that were severe cases including a darling Pug who had been bred to death , depleted of life force. She was 8 at the time and was considered junk as she was out of prime breeding age. My friend got her , and she was treated (vet missed it !!!!) externally by special shampoos and internally through vastly improved diet and foods which are effective against candiasis and systemic yeast problems - because that it what it is .

so more later

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Very often S. mange is accompanied by staff infections of the skin. I'd go with the treatment for scabies and see how that does - if no better, look at the other ideas.
 

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Negative for Mange, parasites, yeast & bacterial infection??

So Bacchus went to the vet yesterday for this third round of Ivermectin. Our agreed with me that it has gotten worse since getting his shots. So he did another scraping for mange and came up negative. He also did a scraping for a yeast and bacterial infection. Nothing, nada, zlich.

With those results we have two things we can do:

1. Go for a skin biopsy
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2. Go see a dermatologist

Both are expensive. The skin biopsy will cost somewhere around $350 and the specialist will probably be about the same $250 for consult and then diagnosis of the problem..

This is the only vet that I will let Bacchus see in the practice and is very open to ideas. He was honest with me and told me that he is literally stumped about Bacchus and cannot figure out what is wrong with him. In the meantime he gave me another round of antibiotics (a different class he said) Baytril....

He said he is going to consult with the dermatologist to see perhaps if he missed something.

Any other ideas of what this is? My husband mentioned that the severe itching and hair loss did not come until after the snow... Bacchus loves eating snow...Can it be environmental? After the snow falls it gets old with crap, bird droppings, squirrel, etc. Can it be from eating dirty snow?? We are just grasping at straws here and don't know what to do anymore. Ever since he has turned 1 he has been in and our of the vets office. All we want is for Bacchus to be healthy.
 

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If it were me, I'd take him to the derm. They're the experts, and you would likely save money in the long run by not doing unnecessary tests. It's going to be expensive, but it's worth it to get your boy feeling better!
 
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