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i acquired a female gsd at 7 weeks of age, weighing 2 kilos. she was given to me as a "runt" with a severe overbite which was to otherwise be put down by the breeder if a home could not be found immediately. they said she would grow to the size of a kelpie & not to the typical full gsd size.(fine by me) she was also to be desexed asap & not to be bred with (also fine by me). she was 1 of 2 pups born, the first litter of that female. the other pup, a male, was of normal size, approx. 2-3 times the size of the female. i don't know if she was smaller at birth or the same size. the mother was an all black gsd. i did not see the sire.
now at 16 weeks she weighs 4.6 kilos. the vet mentioned the possibility of thyroid problems at 7 weeks but did not do blood tests or seem too concerned. another vet only today mentioned the possibility of pituitary gland issues & dwarfism but again did not offer a blood test.
the pup still has her baby fur. she eats well, has no vomiting issues, is lively, friendly & intelligent. her littermate is only just starting to get his adult fur now so i figure her fur will start to change in a few weeks.
the vet today really made me worry there was something seriously wrong with my pup yet did not seem too concerned herself. all the reading im doing says the dwarfs are "fox like" in appearence, which i believe my pup is, but i also think she looks like a normal german shepherd puppy, even though she is obviously a lot smaller.
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the first photo is her at around 9 weeks. the second was taken today at 16 weeks. obviously the easiest way would be to get a blood test but im afraid to at the moment. i'd like to know what other peoples opinions are on her & if she looks "normal" to them. bear in mind her snout looks a lot pointier due to her overbite of 1/2 an inch & you can't see her chin at all! i appreciate your input.
 

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She is so cute! If I were you, I would get the blood test done. Being afraid and not knowing will only make you stressed out which isn't good for your puppy. If it is thyroid, the vet can start her on a supplement which is very inexpensive. The breeder was upfront with you, and I think there is the possibly she could be a dwarf. But that doesn't mean she can't have a normal life. I would follow through on the tests, take your vet's advice, and enjoy your puppy.
 

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I'd say, with about 90% certainty, that she is a dwarf.

It's the look she has - sort of foxy. That is a telltale sign of a dwarf.

Do a Google search on "dwarf German Shepherd" and check out the photos - like this one:

 

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thankyou all for your kind replies! she is a little sweetheart & we love her dearly. i have made an appointment with a different vet for tomorrow morning. we'll see what he thinks & get the blood test. i've been meaning to see him re: her dental issues anyway as he is the local pet dentist. hopefully he is knowledable in regards to my concerns.
i didn't realise there was such a thing as dwarfism in gsds. i've been reading about runts up until now. i'm surprised one of the vets hasn't mentioned dwarfism until today, nor do they seem concerned about finding out at all. i've now had a look at a lot of info. it seems it would be better to find out sooner rather than later so we can start her on any medication if needed. i don't mind her being small at all, as long as i can give her what she needs to be happy & healthy...
 

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Oh, she definitely looks like a pituitary dwarf.

She is super cute! :wub: If you search dwarfs on this site you will find some info. There was a member a few years back who was a breeder and kept back a pup who was a dwarf.
 

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I'd be very suspicious that she is a dwarf...get the thryroid test done ASAP and on to meds [cheap] if needed...they usually do have dental and or heart issues


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i've spoken to the breeders & they said when she was born she was the bigger of the 2 pups by about 100 grams (around 700 grams each) but she lost the weight quickly & was bottle fed to ensure she got enough food. they were concerned she may have also been brain damaged due to the long labour but neurologically she is fine. the mother gave birth to the brother first then the labour stopped. my pup was delivered via caesarian 5 hours later.
hopefully we'll get some answers soon. i'm still a bit annoyed that it wasn't brought to my attention sooner that the potential thyroid problem can be serious. they seemed to want to wait & see if her adult fur developed...? new vet tomorrow. hope this one has some answers i want to hear!
people do pick her as a german shepherd pup so she's not completely weird looking. everyone agrees she is gorgeous!
 

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I was saying that I would really consider that she IS a dwarf.....I had 2 in a litter....they seemed ok for a while, but did not keep pace...I was in deep deep denial....thought they just had bad start, had delayed growth (?) syndrome....etc etc

Even vet was not sure at first as mine had normal dentition and hearts....but we finally did thyroid testing and confirmed they were indeed dwarfs....

The female was black and tan and your puppy looks just like her - the face & expression; she was only 8 pounds as an adult.....the other one was a sable, grew up to be 18 pounds as an adult - and was a total drivey GSD in that little body....both were given away to pet homes who had full knowledge of their conditions - and I believe both are still alive and relatively well.

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i appreciate everyones interest, opinions & experience. i was almost not going to post my question as i did not want the answer but the more i look, the more it appears a possibility & something i need to know. will keep everyone informed on Gypsy's results! her heart seems fine btw. the overbite, we'll wait & see...
 

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Good - many many dwarfs have defective hearts....and that is what kills them....hopefully yours lives a long and happy life!

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She's absolutely adorable :). You need to keep us updated with photos :D

I really hope the medical issues can be fixed and she lives a long and happy life, I'm glad she's with a loving family :)
 

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Lee - Is this a genetic condition? Isn't it rare to have 1 let along 2 in the same litter?

OP - she's a cutie. Wishing you all the best with her.
 

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I believe it is genetic - recessive, so if both parents carry the gene, 25% of the litter is likely to be dwarf. I think in Lee's litter there were only 3 (?) pups and 2 were dwarfs - so the genetic dice didn't roll in her favor.

Good luck with your pup...she is adorable!
 

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I have no advice or opinions other that she is such a gorgeous little creature.
I wish you all the best with her and it certainly sounds like she's in the right hands.
I hope you stick around so we can watch her grow (or not grow). :)
She's positively adorable!!
 
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