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Found this old picture of Adolph Hitler and his GSD, Blondi. It caught my attention because

Blondi has the same/similar head and face of my new rescue 'Heidi'. I've been scouring pics

looking for another dog that resembles Heidi and wondered if she is a mix since she doesn't have

the traditional look of modern gsd's w/ the broad head and dark mask. Although the farther I

go back in pictures, 100-150 yrs., the more dogs I see similar to Heidi. Is it possible she's just

an 'old style' dog?

Adolf Hitler - Escaparatedemascotas
 

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Heidi, I think you may be referring to the reverse mask facial marking a lot of these dogs had. Here's another one of Hitler's dogs (NOT Blondi, this time.) It looks exactly like the Littlest Hobo dogs from the TV series.

Here's a link to the article about the series, which explains the reverse mask. I have frequently seen the mask in old photos, especially of the East German (D.D.R.) dogs! It is also frequently seen in huskies, which is why some people think these dogs aren't purebred. The Hobo dogs were black an sliver, which is also not according to the breed standard. However, it was felt this colour would show up better on a black and white TV screen. Reverse masked dogs can also, of course, be black and tan, like my Tasha (see Shepherd Collie mix thread.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Littlest_Hobo
 

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Thanks Sunsilver, that was interesting reading. Funny you mention your dog Tasha, as I noticed in the other thread that

your photo of her looks so much like my Heidi. I don't see too many that have this face. My son thinks my Heidi is

part Husky but we won't know for sure til I have her DNA done.
 

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Don't think it is necessary to use Hitler in pictures to illustrate a reversed mask. (I was raised in Europe to make a long story short in honor my grandpa)
 

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Orphan Heidi, is it possible for you to post a picture of your dog? I'd like to see her!

A side view (stacked photo) works best so we can get an idea of how much angulation she has. A husky would be much straighter in the hind legs than a GSD, but like I said, both the husky and GSD can have this sort of mask.

Littlest Hobo dogs with their trainer, Chuck Eisenman:
 

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Here's a link to the article about the series, which explains the reverse mask. I have frequently seen the mask in old photos, especially of the East German (D.D.R.) dogs! It is also frequently seen in huskies, which is why some people think these dogs aren't purebred.
The GSD wasn't a pure breed at it's inception so that distinct marking like all other traits had to come from another breed or mixed breed in the beginning. Those recessive genes are the gift that keeps on giving ;) It's definitely something that's been part of the breed from the beginning, you can see it in earlier dogs.

Going way back, not sure but it looks like Frack vom Polizeprasidium (SZ 6534) had a reverse mask. (picture isn't the best) He was born in 1906. (he's in Max's book)

Frack vom Polizeipräsidium Berlin (fr. von der Eiche)

Going back even further in Fracks pedigree you'll find Baron von der Krone fr. Max SZ 162. (born in 1898) Wish there was a color photo of him to see if his face was silver or tan.
Baron von der Krone fr. Max (1898)
 

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You do realize that when the liberating Armys were coming in and it was over that Hitler tested a deadly poison on his own dog for suicide purposes.
 

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He also trained GSDs to feed under tanks. Then once trained, they put bombs on their back and send them hungry over to the German enemies' tanks to "eat".
 

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Sunsilver, I don't have any photos of Heidi yet, sorry. Loaned my camera out and it was returned 'not working'.

And my old fashioned flip phone doesn't take pictures. I would love to have a photo for you to analyze. I appreciate

your offer and I will snag the next person that comes to visit to take a few shots of her.

thanks for bringing this thread back on topic.

PS/ My recently departed 16 yr. old GSD was also named Tasha.
 

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Could we move on from Hitler, please? The OP is interested in the markings on the dogs, NOT in what Hitler did!

I am sure other countries have also used animals to blow up the enemy, but that's not something we need to talk about here.
Then the thread should be about "reverse mask" GSD's or the original GSD's in Germany. The link takes you to photos of a vile person portrayed as a an animal lover. Sorry, I avoided commenting on this thread when it was first posted. But, to think there was anything decent about that man is truly disturbing and that is what the photos portray.
 

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Heh, cool coincidence! :D

My Tasha's conformation was nothing to write home about, but her temperament was 100% GSD. She was a great protector of our home and car, and was so bonded to me and my husband that if we got separated on a hike, she'd run back and forth between the two of us!
 

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Slamdunc, Heidi obviously had no idea what to call the dog's markings, and I'm sure she had no intention of portraying Hitler as someone to be admired just because he owned German shepherds.

Maybe now that she knows what a reverse mask is, she'd be okay with a title change.

I've kept that picture of Hitler I posted because many people have told me the Littlest Hobo dogs were mixed breeds, and it is the most conclusive proof I've ever found that the type of markings these dogs had have been in the breed for many decades.

Posting a historical picture does NOT mean you admire the person in it!
 

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This is somewhat on a topic I had been considering bringing up. I came across this picture that was labeled as a Vietnam war dog.

If I saw this dog on the street today, I'd think it was a backyard bred dog. Anybody know what I mean?

This one is a reverse mask too, I think?
 

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Well, it really doesn't have much of a mask at all...

A reverse masked dog has the mask mostly on the upper part of the face instead of the lower.

No one really cares much if war dogs conform to the breed standard, as long as the can do the job they are trained for.
 

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Don't think it is necessary to use Hitler in pictures to illustrate a reversed mask. (I was raised in Europe to make a long story short in honor my grandpa)
Wasn’t going to say something but in light of events in Pittsburg....irrespective of the cultural/national origin of the GSD, I find it offensive and totally inappropriate to see any post about Hitler referencing anything other than the violence and hate that he embodied. Plenty of other ways to illustrate the origins of a reverse mask.

I appreciate the comments about his disgusting training methods, but this post should be removed. Full stop.
 
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