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My wife and I just recued Sophie a 9-10 year old GSD. We believed they used her to breed. From the information we got from the owner, her first litter she had 10, second one had 7 and her last litter on 5/10/14 had 4 but 3 died. The owner was giving her away with the 4 day old puppy. My wife and I rescued both and took them home last night.

We have 3 yorkies, but we haven’t introduce them since she just had a baby. She is panthing really bad and will be taking her to the vet today. Any suggestions on how to make her transition easy and also what should I feed her. The previous owner used to feed her Purina puppy chow


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How terribly stressful for a dam. I am glad you have her. Make sure she is not too warm, if she is panting, get a regular digital thermometer and take her temperature rectally. If she is up over 103.5 or 104, I don't know that I would wait to go to the vet at all. As she is older, she may have just been tired out and failed to get them all out, retained a puppy, etc.

You need to know if she is running a temperature. Her temp should be 101.5 - 102. She is stressed. But if it gets much over 103, it could be life threatening.

If they gave you food, keep her on it for a day or so, and slowly transition to a good adult kibble. Adding some Dannon's regular (not low fat) yogurt, and some fresh raw chicken, and some eggs (I cook them, boiled or nuked).

As for the adult kibble, choose something that you can wean the puppy onto. I use Diamond Naturals Adult Chicken and Rice. But there are probably better foods out there. Wellness maybe (not Core) -- don't go for grain free, and if you aren't intending on keeping the puppy, pick something that is relatively easy for someone to find.
 

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I'm glad she's in a loving home now
 

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How terribly stressful for a dam. I am glad you have her. Make sure she is not too warm, if she is panting, get a regular digital thermometer and take her temperature rectally. If she is up over 103.5 or 104, I don't know that I would wait to go to the vet at all. As she is older, she may have just been tired out and failed to get them all out, retained a puppy, etc.

You need to know if she is running a temperature. Her temp should be 101.5 - 102. She is stressed. But if it gets much over 103, it could be life threatening.

If they gave you food, keep her on it for a day or so, and slowly transition to a good adult kibble. Adding some Dannon's regular (not low fat) yogurt, and some fresh raw chicken, and some eggs (I cook them, boiled or nuked).

As for the adult kibble, choose something that you can wean the puppy onto. I use Diamond Naturals Adult Chicken and Rice. But there are probably better foods out there. Wellness maybe (not Core) -- don't go for grain free, and if you aren't intending on keeping the puppy, pick something that is relatively easy for someone to find.

The previous owner did not give us any food. So my wife just got one from petsmart on the way home. I will check her temperature today. Also any suggestions on pet insurance? I have insurance on my 3 yorkies but adding her would cost me $125 just by herself
 

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Took her to the vet and vet said she has no fever. He also felt her tummy and he said it feels ok. They gave her antibiotic shots andsome drinks. She is very sweet. She is still panthing and dont know what to do. My wife bought purina and she wouldnt eat. She is drinking water and the milk supplement my wife bought.
 

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just want to say to you that sue (selzer) has a great deal of experience whelping puppies. can't get this dear old girl and her baby out of my mind. how is the baby? how did you get sophie to the vet without the baby? thank you SO much for helping this dog. purina is a very low quality food, if you can possibly afford something better that would be so good for sophie. could you cook her some rice and chicken or ground beef maybe? would you mind if I asked you where you are located (generally, not specifically). thanks AGAIN. please keep us updated.
 

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just want to say to you that sue (selzer) has a great deal of experience whelping puppies. can't get this dear old girl and her baby out of my mind. how is the baby? how did you get sophie to the vet without the baby? thank you SO much for helping this dog. purina is a very low quality food, if you can possibly afford something better that would be so good for sophie. could you cook her some rice and chicken or ground beef maybe? would you mind if I asked you where you are located (generally, not specifically). thanks AGAIN. please keep us updated.

Hi, On the first night my wife bought her food at petsmart forgot the brand but its quite expensive. She didn’t eat so we called the previous owner and asked what they were feeding her. They said purina so my wife bought purina yesterday and she still wouldn’t eat. She did eat some wetfood which is good to have something on her stomach. Shes drinking water and the chicken soup the vet gave us. Any suggestions what other food should I try?

My wife wants to ger Sophie an Xray and bloodwork but its kind out of our budget right now. Our little Anakin just had leg surgery a few months ago.

We brought the whole tub with the baby to the vet. The vet said the baby seems fine. We are worried with sophie because she still hasn’t gone #1 or #2. I thinks she is still stress being on a new home. She gave my wife her first kiss yesterday at the vet. The little guy has a big appetite and sleeps pretty good. He seems very strong since he resisted my wife when she was trying to get him to suck on the other teats, he was fighting it and also he is very vocal

I’m thinking of naming the little guy Berlin. What you guys think

Oh I live in Castro Valley CA

Here are our yorkies. Brooklyn, Teddy and Anakin.
 

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I would try to get any kind of food possible into her - raw eggs (shell and all), boiled chicken, boiled ground beef, rice, pumpkin, yogurt, chopped steak, canned food - whatever she will eat. Since there is only one baby, she doesn't need a huge milk supply, but she will still need some - if she doesn't eat, she may lose it.

Where is her whelping box? Maybe a more private location?

So cute that she is starting to trust you guys more now - I am sure you will see even more changes over the coming weeks/months.

My Pom and Shepherd are expecting right now - My Pom went through a very picky stage where only scrambled eggs worked, now for both her and my Shepherd its beef and buffalo tripe, turkey livers and ground boneless turkey, anything else and they will turn their noses up at it.

How awesome of you to take her and the baby on - congrats!
 

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I would try to get any kind of food possible into her - raw eggs (shell and all), boiled chicken, boiled ground beef, rice, pumpkin, yogurt, chopped steak, canned food - whatever she will eat. Since there is only one baby, she doesn't need a huge milk supply, but she will still need some - if she doesn't eat, she may lose it.

Where is her whelping box? Maybe a more private location?

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We used the kiddy pool as her whelping box. She is in our garage now and end up Parking out two cars outside and my Vespa. We use the front door to get in and out so she doesn’t get disturbed. Also I put one of the camera so we can monitor her while we are at work
 

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The temperature in the whelping area should be about 70 degrees. Colder can cause problems. But you don't want it up to 90 or higher either.

The poor bitch is shell shocked. I am hating her previous owner right now, even though that doesn't help.

I am wondering why they put her on an antibiotic if she doesn't have a fever. I hope whatever they put her on, is safe for the baby. I know the vets ought to know what they are doing, and we ought to trust them, but sometimes you have to wonder. They seem quick to treat with antibiotics, even with no fever. That is odd, especially since most antibiotics do go through the milk.

Please get a cheap kitchen scale. Start charting the puppy's weight twice a day. You should be seeing an increase of 2-4 ounces a day depending on his current size. If you are seeing an increase, then your bitch, even though she isn't eating much, is doing ok. And just add the aforementioned foods in small quantities and many times a day.

Try to give her some space and some time. Hold off on outward affection and let her come to you so to speak. Be calm, give her food, talk with her in normal tones, "do you need to go potty?" and then take her out. She will figure out what the words mean. Try to limit the stress, but handle the puppy, at least twice a day now, and more as he gets older. This is hard on her, because she does not necessarily trust you guys yet. Stay right there, and tell her what you are doing in an even normal voice:

Ok, let's weigh the puppy, just putting him in the little bin,

Ah 1 pound 6.2 ounces, good.

Checking his toe nails,

and up under the tail.

Good, now you can have him back.

Eventually (not now) you will need to bathe the puppy, and cut the toenails (soon), etc. It is much easier if she and the puppy are comfortable with your handling. And I would say for the next 4 or 5 days, she will be the most comfortable, if you keep the handling to two quick weight-checks and look up under the tail and back to her.

She needs to learn to trust you, and she also is experience grief/loss for her previous people. Give her some space, and be totally trustworthy to her. When you do work with her puppy, be calm and confident, explaining to her what you are doing.

Her previous owner needs a good kick. Just because he is a total jerk, doesn't mean she is not missing him and the home, however awful, that was familiar to her.

For peace of mind, an x-ray is actually a good idea. If you wait for little fetuses to decompose (cause high fever and smelly discharge) in there, than it can be too late, and even with an emergency c-section, you can lose the bitch. Knowing that she is entirely empty is a good idea if there are any symptoms at all. The pup is 5 days old, so I think, that if she did retain something at this point, it would be causing fevers, and she would be in peril. So, it's really up to you. There are other reasons the bitch might not be wanting to eat.

I hope it all works out ok.
 

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The Vet said the shots are just incase she has an infection.

As far as handling her baby, she lets my wife handle him. Yesterday at the vet while getting examined my wife was holding him and she just licks her baby and my wife.

Will try to do all your suggestions.

Also will it be ok to get her shots? I dont think she is up to date on her shots since the previous owner could not provide me any papers or when was her last shots. Should I get her fix and duclaw the puppy?
 

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The Vet said the shots are just incase she has an infection.

As far as handling her baby, she lets my wife handle him. Yesterday at the vet while getting examined my wife was holding him and she just licks her baby and my wife.

Will try to do all your suggestions.

Also will it be ok to get her shots? I dont think she is up to date on her shots since the previous owner could not provide me any papers or when was her last shots. Should I get her fix and duclaw the puppy?
I have a couple of puppies that struggled in their first few days. The smallest died, and the other two who were born on a Saturday, by Wednesday they spent the day at the vet, the following day, they were too hot. I called the vet, they wanted me to put them on antibiotics. I went and got them from the vet. But I asked the right questions, and they did not have the right answer. I asked what temperature the puppies should be at, and they said 97 to 101. Not so. Puppies should be 96 degrees for the first week, and then they gain about a degree a week until they reach their adult temperature.

I told the vet tech, that my pups were within that range, why are we giving them antibiotics. She said the vet says the puppies are stressed. I asked if this could cause problems with the puppies immunity that they get from their dam. She said, if the puppies have a problem, this will solve it. I left with the antibiotics. But I was not satisfied.

I called the good 24 hour clinic about 2 hours from my home. And explained what was going on. They wanted to see the bitch and the puppies, before any antibiotics are given, and if they are given, the pups are started on pro-biotics as well. They told me what temperature the puppies should be at. They told me that giving the puppies antibiotics will further interfere with their digestion. They examined the bitch and the puppies and said there was no infection present and that I should not give them antibiotics. We solved the problem and the dogs started improving.

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No, do not spay your bitch until the puppy is 8 weeks old. -- Her insides are still all blown up from being pregnant, this will shrink down over the next eight weeks making surgery safer. Also spaying now can interfere with milk production, and it can change her hormonally, so she may not be as good of a dam. There is no hurry.

No, do not give her any shots until the puppy starts getting its shots, at 7 weeks old, longer if the puppy is still drinking from her. I would just be careful with what she is exposed to, keep her home for now. She doesn't need to go anywhere. And once the baby is fully weaned and has its second set of shots then it will be safe to do hers.

If the puppy has dew claws on the back legs, then I would have the vet take care of them. They should have been cut off within the first 2 days when the nervous system is not yet totally developed. By five days, they will need a small surgery. I would wait and have them do it when the pup is neutered.

Front claws should not be cut off.
 

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Thinking of Sophie and the little one, just want to add (and you probably already know), be REALLY careful with those yorkies getting anywhere NEAR mom and baby. Wishing all good things for you in your efforts to help this little family of two.
 

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Thinking of Sophie and the little one, just want to add (and you probably already know), be REALLY careful with those yorkies getting anywhere NEAR mom and baby. Wishing all good things for you in your efforts to help this little family of two.


Thank you all for your suggestions. Yes my yorkies are so yappy they think there are big. Right now we have our house divided and they have not met. Sophie started eating the dog food in can my wife bought and some jerky. She still hasnt peed or poo

my wife is taking her to our regular vet. He only works mon to weds. We just wants to make sure sophie gets better
 

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Thank you again, so much, for helping her. She should not "meet" those yorkies for a long, long, time. She must be so stressed and sad. Thinking of you, and wishing for all good things for this little family, again today.
 

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Thank you again, so much, for helping her. She should not "meet" those yorkies for a long, long, time. She must be so stressed and sad. Thinking of you, and wishing for all good things for this little family, again today.

Thanks.

she finally went pee but still no poo. She is looking better too
 

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How are Sophie and the baby today? Thinking of you again, as I go about my day...
 

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Hoping Sophie and baby are doing well....and the panting is stress and nothing else....

As far as vaccines....on a 10 year old??? no no no....I would NOT even consider doing any vaccines on her.....current official (AVMA) thinking is every 3 years, and even then, most older dogs have immunity .....you don't get a measles vaccine or even a tetanus every year - dogs do NOT need vaccinated every year....

tempt Sophie with anything you can to get her eating....and yes - she would have x-rayed to be sure there are no pups left in her...she is awfully old to have had a litter.....the person who had her needs to be thrashed...how selfish and uncaring and greedy can someone be???? Sometimes I just hate people!

Lee
 
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