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Okay... seriously... *removed* PARENTS!!!!
We were talking about getting a puppy and I asked when are we going to get the supplies like bowls etc? They stared at me as if I was stupid or something, and started saying that first we get the puppy then the stuff... Okay, first of all - what the *removed*. Sorry for my language but I'm annoyed. What if the puppy needs to go for a walk and we don't have a leash? Then they will get annoyed at the dog for doing it inside, and will probably blame it on me... Seriously - *removed*..
THEN - They say we will need a CHOKE COLLAR. Yeah. You heard it. a freaking choke collar. I told them that I can train a dog to heel, but they're like BLAHBLABHALBHABALBHABLAH IT'S DOG'S INSTINCT IF IT WANTS TO RUN AWAY IT WILL AND WILL NOT HEEL BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH...
Like, just wow - really? Don't they know you can train a dog to heel? Especially if you train him from a puppy? AGRHGHHH. I can't wait till I get the puppy to prove it to them that a dog can heel... Their argument was that "it will see another dog and it will go for it and will make you fall" and *removed* like that. I'm pretty sure that if a dog gets socialised from a puppy (meeting other dogs) It won't be so crazy about other dogs. Correct me if I'm wrong.
They also say that they will give maximum 200 pounds for a dog.... Ugh...
 

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I'm pretty sure that if a dog gets socialised from a puppy (meeting other dogs) It won't be so crazy about other dogs. Correct me if I'm wrong.
They also say that they will give maximum 200 pounds for a dog.... Ugh...
You're kinda wrong. I say kinda because a well trained dog can be trained not to do this, but it's still a living creature with a brain, and will sometimes disobey. Also, Sasha's well trained, but loves other dogs so much that she just really really wants to go play with them.

I wouldn't recommend a choke collar (though I have used them, but never ever on a puppy), but when your pup gets older there's nothing wrong with looking at getting a prong if you feel it's necessary. For a puppy that's not recommended. Be patient with them, and just spend a lot of time training your dog when you get it. They'll see. My mom was amazed by all the work I put into Sasha, and how well she behaves. She now brags to all her friends about her delightful grandpup lol Also, if they're footing the bill, the best you can do is present logical arguments (backed by information you can present to them) and hope for the best. It is, after all, their money.
 

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I waiting until I got Koda to buy her stuff (the day of). I got her, then took her with me to the pet store to make sure I got a collar that fit her, a bowl she would eat out of (that's right, she chose her own bowl), good food, toys she liked, etc. Honestly it can be done either before or the day of. I liked doing it the day of, since I already had the house ready for her to be here. Of course many people like to have it ahead of time.
As for choke chain, I have had a choke-chain for Koda since she was 4 months old. Not because it's impossible for them to behave and heel without one (I have NEVER had a problem with her on leash... Not even as a baby), but because I simply like choke chains when used correctly. I never had to actually correct her and made sure I knew how to do it with no harm to her before I did use it, so I would not recommend it on a puppy, either.
Your parents simply may not understand the breed fully, or the effects training can have. But getting peeved and angry will not solve much. Try getting a list together of points you would like to make, as well as facts that will back up those points. Ask them to make a list of concerns they have, as well as any questions. Then find an object you can all pass between you, and make it a rule that whoever has it is the only one who can speak. Stay calm and mature during your conversation, and do not interrupt.
As for the money thing... I live in America and am not fully sure what 200 pounds equals out to (I'm HORRIBLE at math...). So I can't help you there.
 

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A dog is still a dog. You could very well be pulled over if you're not ready for it, proofing has not been 100%, and you're not holding the leash correctly. As a minor, that means your parents will be liable if you lose control. Quite frankly, I would call it irresponsible if a minor is walking a dog that can easily overpower the kid/teen.

Let's say your training is progressing, but your dog is 11 months and is a headstrong adolescent. Even the best trainer will have That Time when the dog saw this irresistible cat and tried to take off. A prepared owner will likely still retain control. An inexperienced owner? Likely not. I've been pulled over by a brace of afghans. I still had the leashes but since then, I made it a point to be very cognizant of how to hold a leash to put physics in my favor rather than the dog's.
 

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A dog is still a dog. You could very well be pulled over if you're not ready for it, proofing has not been 100%, and you're not holding the leash correctly. As a minor, that means your parents will be liable if you lose control. Quite frankly, I would call it irresponsible if a minor is walking a dog that can easily overpower the kid/teen.
I can't say that :p I got Dakoda for my 16th birthday, and don't turn 18 for a week. But I have never allowed anyone else to walk her. It's always been me. But I can say that it is true that OP's parents would be held liable, and any dog can pull at some point for any reason.
 

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Okay... seriously...*removed* PARENTS!!!!
We were talking about getting a puppy and I asked when are we going to get the supplies like bowls etc? They stared at me as if I was stupid or something, and started saying that first we get the puppy then the stuff... Okay, first of all - what the *removed*. Sorry for my language but I'm annoyed. What if the puppy needs to go for a walk and we don't have a leash? Then they will get annoyed at the dog for doing it inside, and will probably blame it on me... Seriously - *removed*..
THEN - They say we will need a CHOKE COLLAR. Yeah. You heard it. a freaking choke collar. I told them that I can train a dog to heel, but they're like BLAHBLABHALBHABALBHABLAH IT'S DOG'S INSTINCT IF IT WANTS TO RUN AWAY IT WILL AND WILL NOT HEEL BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH...
Like, just wow - really? Don't they know you can train a dog to heel? Especially if you train him from a puppy? AGRHGHHH. I can't wait till I get the puppy to prove it to them that a dog can heel... Their argument was that "it will see another dog and it will go for it and will make you fall" and *removed* like that. I'm pretty sure that if a dog gets socialised from a puppy (meeting other dogs) It won't be so crazy about other dogs. Correct me if I'm wrong.
They also say that they will give maximum 200 pounds for a dog.... Ugh...
Let me get this straight, you are cursing all over the internet because your parents aren't buying puppy supplies for you fast enough and are only willing to give you a set amount toward a dog?

I wanted a German Shepherd from the time I was about ten years old. My parents said "no." I had to move out on my own before I could own a GSD. You are lucky your parents are even open to the idea.

If your parents are monitoring your internet use, I would not be surprised if they look at this and decide you are not mature enough to take on the responsibility of a dog.
 

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As long as they are the parents and it is their money, they get to make the rules. Perhaps you should wait until you live in your own house, make your own rules, make the money to cover the expenses, and are held accountable for what the dog does.


I did notify on the language for pseudoswearing. Please remember the rules also pertain to abbreviations for swear phrases. Aplogizing for it in advance does make violating the board rules permissible.


How old are you? Perhaps you should get a job to help with the expenses. When I wanted to ride horses at 13 and my parents were not going to spring for it, I got a job mucking stalls in exchange for riding. Fast forward, my youngest daughter wanted crazy clothes I would not buy. She wound up working at a local farm stand after school. I will say that presenting with such an attitude is not a way to demonstrate the maturity needed to own a dog.


Signed grumpy old gramma with non-spoiled kids and grandkids.

Oh, yes. If the dog is not properly selected and has a genetically weak temperament it may have all the socialization in the world and still have issues with other dogs. If it is properly selected and has good drives it may be one heck of a handful to train. I don't think prongs are legal over there - you start with a flat collar but you might need a choke. Do you KNOW how to train a dog? Is money set aside for training classes with someone who does?
 

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There's no real issue with waiting until you have the puppy to pick up supplies, some of the supplies are easier to pick up on the way home because you have the size of the dog correct for the collar and bed, match food with what the breeder is feeding if you want, etc. Of course you need a leash, collar, bowls, etc once they come but did they actually say they would be bringing the dog home with nothing or just say that they wouldn't be buying anything until the dog came?

As for the amount and the type of collar, because you live at their house and they're paying everything you need to work WITH them rather then just get angry

I realize it's very frustrating at the moment but hang in there, take deep breaths and wait a bit then talk to them again.
 

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OP, how old are you? I see you're a student, it's awesome that you've joined us here at the forum to learn more about GSDs and how you can do the very best job as a pet parent as you possibly can!

Here's a tip: read over what you've typed and ask yourself if you'd want your dad or your boss to read it before you post. It's difficult for me (and others, I'm sure) to read posts like this and focus on what you're actually asking because I'm so distracted by the language. There are plenty of ways to ask these questions! :)

I worked for years and saved my money to get my first dog when I was 10. I had to prepare a FORMAL PRESENTATION for my father (he's a management consultant) with a chart detailing potential expenses, plans for training and housing, and with researched local veterinarians and resources. It took me months to put it together, and I mumbled and grumbled the whole time because all I knew was that I wanted that dog. No... I needed that dog. I presented it, and my parents said no. I had to re-do it with better financial planning. They finally said yes.
Let me tell you, that dog meant so much to me when I brought him home from the shelter. He was a neurotic 5 month old mutt, but he was MINE. I valued him so much more because of all the work I did for him before he was even a twinkle in his momma's eye.

Your family is being very generous in offering to help you at all. Breathe, take a step back, and see how else you can approach this. Ask your dad if you can have the 200 pounds to put in a piggy bank or savings account and add to it over time. Remember, you'll need a lot more than that right off the bat; your new puppy will need vet visits, vaccinations, supplies, and ongoing costs like food and medications.

I really hope all of us on this forum get to watch you grow into a fantastic GSD owner! How exciting. :)
 

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Again, as was advised in other threads: slow down. Disrespecting your parents and using foul language on an international forum are not going to earn you any support for your cause.

A good idea might be to get a job working with dogs. That way, you will gain experience and make your own money so you can save up for a quality German Shepherd.

It would take a while, which is a bonus, because you will have matured and come to appreciate hard work, self control, and commitment, which are needed if you want to own a well balanced and properly trained GSD.
 

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Breathe, Young One! It's ok to rant but if I found out my 13 yr old had posted that on the internet about me, his dreams would be put on hold until he moved out. Oh wait...I did and she still doesn't have her learner's permit to drive because I don't feel I should give her something for showing that kind of disrespect.

Now....Take your list of supplies that are needed and buy the minimum, which is leash, collar, dishes and crate. Then when you have the puppy, you will show your parents how he heals nicely because he's the smartest dog in the world.

If they say they will only pay 200 pounds for a dog, then look around to see if there is any way for you to earn money to pay more. Do you get an allowance? Can you mow yards? Babysit? Deliver newspapers?

Maybe you'll have to compromise. There is a beautiful 15 month old boy on that website I posted on your other thread thru a rescue. If you go a little older, then the puppy chewing / housebreaking will already be past and this is an age you could start in dog sports if you chose too.
 

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I did go back and ready and it does appear the OP has been somewhat reasonable on the board with, perhaps. some unrealistic expectations. But that is the norm for someone who is 13. And my reaction as well as others are probably in response to having been there, both as children and later as parents because that first dog (belonging to the youth) is SUCH a tremendous responsibility and the parents know it can fall back on them.

The puppy has not even been located yet and others have advised taking the time and not expecting a puppy to appear exactly when you want it but when the right one comes along. Now is the time to be talking with breeders and finding prices and what they have coming down the road. Yes some of us have waited for over a year for the right puppy. Sometimes a breeder has a litter planned and things go wrong.

So you really don't need a lot to get started. Perhaps the biggest purchase will be the dog crate and maybe YOU can do something to make that happen. There must be some ways to earn some money to show your parents you are responsible.

Also you mentioned in another post 10pm and 6am but there will be a few weeks of 3am trips outside (well at least 1 or 2 between 10 and 6) and I have not seen how will you manage those? Also noise - puppy will cry and keep everyone awak for awhile-are parents prepared for that? For the choke chain. Ok mom and dad are not necessarily up on training a puppy with newer methods, but how are you going to get help training this little one? You can't do everything on the internet. Maybe you could get dog classes in exchange for working for a dog trainer (cleaning up the training room, etc.) It really does not seem clear how all the peices will fall together.

Have you put together a plan for raising this puppy? Are your parents fully aware of the vet bills, food costs, etc.? Right now everything still seems a bit haphazard and since you mentioned almost a month ago you were getting this puppy within a few days from now........I am surprised you have not already located and selected the pup....

Is did a quick search and found 45 GSD breeders listed in Scotland, UK so maybe there is one close enough where you could offer to just help them with their dogs to gain some experience and then when the time is right and they AND your parents feel everything is in order, you could buy your puppy? I gather your mother is not too happy anyway with the whole thing and, even when dads rule the roost, the mother has mroe say than you would think, and I am concerned that things may not go perfectly and the puppy is out the door...........

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How about get a job, some independence and then stock up on puppy supplies and put forth money towards a puppy?
 

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and clean up your language, like PRONTO!
 
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