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Looks like my puppy at that age. I mentioned it to vet and he wasn't that concerned.

He's almost 6 months old now and his walking looks to be normal.
 

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Hello everyone! It's been a few weeks since I've been on here. I decided to go ahead and get my pups hip x-rayed. I didn't get a pennhip x-ray done because no one near my area can do one apparently. If I want to get a pennhip x-ray done I will need to drive to a city 200 miles away to a vet that can do them. So what I paid for were normal x-rays.

Please give me your opinion on my pups hips, he is nearing 18 weeks. I was considering having JPS done to him if we found something wrong. Everyone around me says I'm being ridiculous about this, and the vet that took the x-ray said my pups hips look good and he wasn't concerned about them. Maybe I'm just being a worry wart, but the way he walks sets alarms off in my head that scream "not normal".

 

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1) Vets are not God.
2) Parents know best.

However forum members are not medical experts, and posting X-rays here will give you misleading information. Members here can help with generic issues, and ideas. But as a Medical Device professional, I can tell you it is unethical and illegal to post medical diagnosis and treatment opinions on a forum like this. And indeed if I see that is happening, I might contact Federal authorities to have a warning issued to the administrators of this website.


Now regarding your thread: if the breeder and vet are saying all is well, then most likely it is.

Your only option is to seek 2nd or 3rd opinions from licensed professional vets or animal orthopedic specialists.

Feed the dog a balanced diet (including calcium).
At a young age, don't tire the dog out with long walks. You are not "strengthening" the dog with these super long walks. You are exerting its muscles and joints.

And go with your instincts.


I am not sure why you are so keen on resolving this right now... Is it that you want your breeder to give your money back if the pup had a hip issue?

But you do realize that all babies (including human ones) often have some developmental aberrations which they "grow out of" with time.

Just be patient. If the dog does have severe hip issues and if you are unwilling to take care of it, then you can always euthanize it at a later date.
 

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Slow down, take a deep breath. This puppy may not look normal to you, but I think he sounds very normal for a GSD pup. However, it's hard to know exactly what you are talking about without videos, or seeing the dog in person. Also, please realize that x-rays are not without risk. Please don't overdo them.

Cow hocks in animals can be an advantage for things like jumping. It gives the dog, or horse, a wider base to push off from. It's not necessarily a bad thing and it usually doesn't lead to problems later. From my experience, it's those straight legged ones that are more likely to have issues.

Think about how you normally stand. I would bet that your feet point outward, not straight ahead. Your ankle is the quivalent of the dog's hock. That means that most all people are cow hocked, too. It's normal.

Don't overdo the exercise. That can create a host of problems later. Puppies don't know when to quit and they will keep going past the point where they are physically able. He's just a baby after all.

Let your little one grow up and get stronger. Feed him a good, balanced diet and stop worrying. You will be amazed at the difference when he matures.

My pup did all the things yours is doing, and did so for months. Even though his hind end can look strange if you aren't used to seeing it, he can run circles around those dogs with straight hind legs. He's way more maneuverable than they are. They now are the ones who look clumsy next to him.

Trust your vet. If you don't trust him, go elsewhere. As long as the pup is not in pain, not limping, or crying out, there is probably nothing to be concerned about.

Just my opinion. I think it's still legal to have and post one. :)
 

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However forum members are not medical experts, and posting X-rays here will give you misleading information. Members here can help with generic issues, and ideas.

Good advise. I've raised at least a dozen GSDs and have never had one that didn't have good hips after 24 months. I can't think of one that wasn't gawky, awkward and clumbsy the first 5 months or so.
Do you trust your vet?
 

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Okay (deep breath)

I'm sorry for acting like a crazy person, I am not here for medical advice or a diagnoses. Since mostly everyone here is a previous GSD owner I am simply looking for opinions gathered from their personal experiences from owning a GSD. All I'm asking for from this site is everyone's "non professional, non medically qualified opinions gathered from previous GSD ownership". And I have seen lot's of other members post x-rays and ask for opinions, I did not realize it may be considered illegal.

The only reason why I feel rushed is because there is a small opening for jps (Juvenile Pubic Symphysiodesis) so no I am not rushing because I plan on taking him back to his breeder or selling him. I am not getting rid of my boy under any circumstances

This was done by a vet I haven't been acquainted with before hand, recommended by my old vet since my old vet does not have the equipment to do an x-ray on a dog.

Please peeps, all I'm asking for is y'all's opinion.
 

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I agree with your vet. In my opinion, those x-rays look good. I'm certainly no expert, and I'm sure that others will a lot more experience will come along and give you their opinions.

Maybe it would help if you would go and look at other GSD puppies. It would give you an idea of how they move and you could make some comparisons.

Your vet and your breeder have said that they don't believe there is any reason for concern. And most people here have done the same. Take those x-rays to another vet and get their opinion.

Just because something is different from what you are used to, it doesn't mean that it's bad. It could actually be better.

I personally would be very reluctant to inflict any type of surgery on a dog if there were not some obvious problems and lots of pain.
 

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No one is posting a medical diagnosis....they offer opinions based on their own experience....!!!!!!!!!!

I would not worry too much about the hips - it is pretty early to do prelims, but the photos are not extreme or alarming...wait a few more months and get new pictures done and send them to OFA for an evaluation.

BTW - the food you mentioned earlier is a very good one....

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1) Vets are not God.
2) Parents know best.

However forum members are not medical experts, and posting X-rays here will give you misleading information. Members here can help with generic issues, and ideas. But as a Medical Device professional, I can tell you it is unethical and illegal to post medical diagnosis and treatment opinions on a forum like this. And indeed if I see that is happening, I might contact Federal authorities to have a warning issued to the administrators of this website.


Now regarding your thread: if the breeder and vet are saying all is well, then most likely it is.

Your only option is to seek 2nd or 3rd opinions from licensed professional vets or animal orthopedic specialists.

Feed the dog a balanced diet (including calcium).
At a young age, don't tire the dog out with long walks. You are not "strengthening" the dog with these super long walks. You are exerting its muscles and joints.

And go with your instincts.


I am not sure why you are so keen on resolving this right now... Is it that you want your breeder to give your money back if the pup had a hip issue?
But you do realize that all babies (including human ones) often have some developmental aberrations which they "grow out of" with time.

Just be patient. If the dog does have severe hip issues and if you are unwilling to take care of it, then you can always euthanize it at a later date.
Nobody is giving medical advice? They are giving opinions.

Maybe this forum isn't for you.
 

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Thanks for the responses guys, I am only trying to be proactive and prevent my pup from ever being in pain. But I think I am overdoing it. I'll bet I'm probably gonna start growing gray hair from all this xD

I am not worried about him being cow hocked so much as I am about his legs being 2-3 inches apart when standing. Very narrow stance that doesn't seem very strong to me, it looks unnatural. But this is my first GSD, I grew up around Blue Heelers and Great Pyrenees. They never had problems and were built very sturdy, especially when compared to my boy. He looks dainty in comparison.

But yeah, I need to put this to rest. My pup is active and healthy, albeit a little more clumsy than what I am used to but hopefully he will outgrow it or at least not get any worse. I might decide to get another vets opinion on his x-rays, but in the meantime I just need to stop worrying and enjoy his unique personality.

Thanks all for putting up with me, appreciate all the comments I have received. This site is really great for new, and inexperienced GSD owners such as myself.
 

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Video would be helpful. Can he run (at puppy speed of course) or does he trot?? A video
of the puppy getting up and then in motion would be useful.

And a vet with more GSD experience would be more useful, then a vet that takes x rays because you asked!
 

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1) Vets are not God.
2) Parents know best.

However forum members are not medical experts, and posting X-rays here will give you misleading information. Members here can help with generic issues, and ideas. But as a Medical Device professional, I can tell you it is unethical and illegal to post medical diagnosis and treatment opinions on a forum like this. And indeed if I see that is happening, I might contact Federal authorities to have a warning issued to the administrators of this website.


Now regarding your thread: if the breeder and vet are saying all is well, then most likely it is.

Your only option is to seek 2nd or 3rd opinions from licensed professional vets or animal orthopedic specialists.

Feed the dog a balanced diet (including calcium).
At a young age, don't tire the dog out with long walks. You are not "strengthening" the dog with these super long walks. You are exerting its muscles and joints.

And go with your instincts.


I am not sure why you are so keen on resolving this right now... Is it that you want your breeder to give your money back if the pup had a hip issue?

But you do realize that all babies (including human ones) often have some developmental aberrations which they "grow out of" with time.

Just be patient. If the dog does have severe hip issues and if you are unwilling to take care of it, then you can always euthanize it at a later date.

Just because the breeder says the parents are fine does not mean the puppy will not have problems because if any one of the parents have loose hips (not necessarily hip dysplasia) it can result in hip dysplasia in the puppies. I know because I am dealing with a 6 month old who has severe hip dysplasia in both hips but the parents were AKC and ok (supposedly).

So instead of posting threats on here, why not try to understand CountryGirl01 concerns and offer some helpful advice if you have any.
 

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Thanks for the responses guys, I am only trying to be proactive and prevent my pup from ever being in pain. But I think I am overdoing it. I'll bet I'm probably gonna start growing gray hair from all this xD

I am not worried about him being cow hocked so much as I am about his legs being 2-3 inches apart when standing. Very narrow stance that doesn't seem very strong to me, it looks unnatural. But this is my first GSD, I grew up around Blue Heelers and Great Pyrenees. They never had problems and were built very sturdy, especially when compared to my boy. He looks dainty in comparison.

But yeah, I need to put this to rest. My pup is active and healthy, albeit a little more clumsy than what I am used to but hopefully he will outgrow it or at least not get any worse. I might decide to get another vets opinion on his x-rays, but in the meantime I just need to stop worrying and enjoy his unique personality.

Thanks all for putting up with me, appreciate all the comments I have received. This site is really great for new, and inexperienced GSD owners such as myself.
You are doing the right thing by being proactive with your puppy's wellbeing so do not let anyone tell you otherwise. My husband and I rescued a senior GSD female who has severe hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia, and arthritis in her spine and using medication to keep her pain manageable. We now have two 6 month old GSD female puppies (each from different parents) and just found out that one has severe hip dysplasia and was already experiencing pain because of it. Our Stella has just gone thru FHO surgery on one hip and will have the other one done when she recovers from this one so that hopefully she will have a pain free life.

You can't trust a breeder just because they say that the parents are ok doesn't mean the puppies will not have problems so stay vigilant and observant because as you mentioned before, there is only a small window of opportunity for some of the corrective procedures for hip dysplasia if you can catch it in time when they are puppies. Unfortunately for Stella, she could not get the TPO surgery (even though she was the right age) because her hips were really bad so it was FHO or total hip replacement for her. We decided on FHO based on the recommendation of the vet surgeon and so far so good. She is in her second week of recovery and she seems to be doing well for now.

Best of luck with your boy.
 

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CountryGirl01 I understand your concern and think your pup looks normal but do what you must to make sure everything is ok.

If you haven't already, I would suggest getting pet insurance as a "just in case".

I have a 4.5 yr old GSD and now a 9 mo old. I have raised/trained a few others for protection/police. My new pup has done things completely different from the previous 6 pups. When I got him, he would lay on the ground frog legged, every time we stop walking he would lay down, and had a funny run...even at 8 months old.

I haven't had a pup so "lazy" before. However, he doesn't seem to be in pain and he works on the field like no-ones business. For my own peace of mind, I did an x-ray at 8.5 months. All looks to be developing OK. My vet deals sees most of the local police K9s...So I trust her opinion. She didn't seem concerned but having this done, has put my mind at ease. Do what you must to understand your pup and to put your mind at ease.
 

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Honestly, his legs look a lot like my GSD's did at that age, and they've straightened out a ton in just a few months as she's grown.
 

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Hey,
Thanks for the responses guys, I am only trying to be proactive and prevent my pup from ever being in pain. But I think I am overdoing it. I'll bet I'm probably gonna start growing gray hair from all this xD

I am not worried about him being cow hocked so much as I am about his legs being 2-3 inches apart when standing. Very narrow stance that doesn't seem very strong to me, it looks unnatural. But this is my first GSD, I grew up around Blue Heelers and Great Pyrenees. They never had problems and were built very sturdy, especially when compared to my boy. He looks dainty in comparison.

But yeah, I need to put this to rest. My pup is active and healthy, albeit a little more clumsy than what I am used to but hopefully he will outgrow it or at least not get any worse. I might decide to get another vets opinion on his x-rays, but in the meantime I just need to stop worrying and enjoy his unique personality.

Thanks all for putting up with me, appreciate all the comments I have received. This site is really great for new, and inexperienced GSD owners such as myself.
Just wondering what ended up happening with your pup? Hope his rear end turned out good! I'm curious to know
 

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Did you post a video I did not see it? So I can’t say but can be puppies somewhat clumsy but if you are noticing any back end weakness I would take your pup to the vet.
 
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