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I'm sorry I haven't introduce myself but I have found GSDs.com containing amazing information on our dogs. Just never had time to activate the account. This is some what big ordeal to me and I would like to jump to this subject real quick.

Yuna has been a very good pup since I brought her home when she was 6 weeks old. When she was 10 months old I took her into K9 university in OKC for boarding school which is the puppy obedient 2 weeks straight as they recommended. She is now 1 years old.

The 2nd time I took her was cause I had a business trip for a week long and had my girlfriend bring Yuna for a retraining boarding. Yuna arrived Wednesday and Friday I received a call about Yuna nose being scratched. They said they would take care of it by the vet and she didn't need stitches. I said ok, small scratch no big deal.

I arrived home Sunday and picked her up this Monday afternoon and saw her. She was jumping and pulling the collar very badly with the trainer telling her down. Yuna just didn't obey what so ever, she just wanted to reach me. No big deal, I saw her nose and I couldn't express my feelings at the moment. The trainer said she didn't know what exactly happen and can't confirm. She said its possible that the crate might have be it. Nothing was confirm, so I paid and left. I couldn't believe what have happen to her nose and I didn't say nothing but wanted to get some thoughts before I say anything.

So after all my thoughts have been gathered.

1.) What exactly are the employees doing besides watching the dogs and I believe there was no way the crate will be that unsafe.

2.) The top part of snout was not bit by another dog. Gum is fine and else where.

3.) Can Yuna possibly injury herself that badly, it would take a very hard hit against a sharp object to cause this kind of damage.

4.) No confirmation on what cause the injury. I asked if she was by her self, with her trainer, employee or in side her crate? No answers atm.

5.) Paying such expensive rates for boarding school, you think would be a safe environment for our dogs.

Someone tell me what I should do. This injury will be a scar and I paid top dollar for her training and I swear she didn't learn much. I have personally train her myself already.
 

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Just the angle and deepness of the cut it does not look like the crate could have done that. I and my parents have used a large variety of crates in our lives and none of them have wires that have loose ends on the inside of the crate. I would visit without the pup and ask to see the types of crates the dogs are kept in. You should be able to tell if there is anything that could have caused it in the crate. I don't want to make assumptions or jump to conclusions so that's the first step I would take. I just really don't understand how that could have happened and no one has any idea how or when. Please let us know what you find out and keep the pup safe from infection by following up with your vet.
 

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Yes, this would be my first step is to check out the crate that she was in. I can't find any reason where she would be so injuried, dealing with the scar is another situation. Poor little pup, my girlfriend tries to jump into conclusions already but Ill handle it from here.

Sorry about my grammar on the first post. I didn't proof read at all, I was sick last night and had to write something fast. :sick:
 

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Dog Bite

My guess is a dog bite. That's particularly so as there are multiple injuries nearer the tip of her nose in addition to the most obvious injury on the flank of the nose.

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Sadly, it isn't impossible that the injury came from a crate. Animals can get hurt in the strangest ways, sometimes with no apparent explaination. I had a horse once that required stitches to it's face. The vet said the injury looked like it was from a blow to the head. It was in a pasture, alone with no trees. So unless something fell from the sky......

It does look like a bite from another dog. When my dogs play rough, they'll grab eachothers lips. My Lacy currently has a bald spot on his lip from too rough of a bite from my GSD. The wound was a fraction of what your dog currently has.
 

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That was my reaction to the pics, a dog bite. No way a crate could cause something like that. it's a gouge. I'd be very mad.
 

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I agree that it looks a bite, but a close second could be her own due claw. The response to seeing you implies some separation anxiety which can lead to strange behavior when they are alone. If those due claws are sharp she could have pawed her nose until it got nasty like that. In other situations I've seen dogs chew their feet until they bleed and scratch other body parts until they bleed.

Sorry for the situation you are in. But 2 weeks away from you at that age is brutal on a dog. Especially if they are stuck in a concrete and chain link kenel for 23 hours a day.
 

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looks like a puncture wound to me. if it was from another dog, it could have happened in lest than a second so the handler may have been very reactive to prevent further injury. i would also examine the crate. either way sounds like the place did what they should have.
 

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Thanks everyone for the feedback. It does make sense now and it probably fast but the dogs must have been very aggressive and growling before that happens. I think its preventable and they should had look after the dogs better. I will be speaking to the owner and make sure this doesn't happen with other dogs.
 

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I agree with the others, looks more like a dog fight wound.

Re your point # 2, On the top of her nose there are two smaller wounds that look to be spaced just right for having been made by another dog's teeth to me?

Things happen, dogs can be fast and unpredictable. Having said that I would rethink using this facility in the future.

If it were my dog that wound goes just enough over the line of tolerance for benefit of the doubt.....I wouldn't be comfortable leaving my dog there because A) it's not a small scratch as they told you B) your dog's behavior upon going to pick her up C) no clear answers to your qustions (your point #4)
 

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I work at a boarding kennel as a groomer, I've seem dogs tear up their noses and lips chewing on doors and chain link, also had one catch a lip and side of the nose on the side of the water buckets , it was stuck and ripped it up pretty good until kennel staff got to it. Once had a older golden pull out a canine tooth chewing on chain link. Had a cocker have his entire mouth stuck on a cage door, had to take the door off to unstuck that one. (he had been chewing on it to get out)
 

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It's hard to assume what happened. Am I clear that they have not answered you as to where the dog was when they noticed the injury? That would have bled quite a bit and is not a "scratch" as described. You might consider getting the name of the vet who took care of her during this incident. Ask what their opinion is on the wound, how did they treat it, etc. to get a better clue if the boarding facility is not being forth-coming about what exactly happened.
 

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Thanks everyone for the feedback. It does make sense now and it probably fast but the dogs must have been very aggressive and growling before that happens.
Sometimes dog fights happen with very little warning. If the signs are missed they are fighting very quickly.

My two male dogs don't give a lot of warning or noise. Sometimes all it takes is for the older one to show his teeth.

Today I heard one very quiet growl and knew they were going to fight. By the time I turned around they were at it. Thankfully the dogs did not injure each other. The only one who has ever got injured was me.

If my dog was injured like that at a boarding place I would be livid!
 

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I do understand the initial frustration and me being a super paranoid person I would think the worst. I like the point made of finding out where the dog was when the injury was found. That would probably answer a lot of questions without seeming accusatory or aggressive. Also the point of contacting the vet that cared for your dog at the time. Please let us know if you are able to catch anything and definitely watch for signs of infection since we all know our dogs like to stick their noses into a lot of different places.
 

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If I may offer my humble opinion...first thing I would do is say the (abbreviated) Serenity Prayer. (fake it your a non-believer) Stuff does happen !

I would advise you not to talk to the owner but send a letter. That way you can sit down and write out exactly what you want, in the order you want and not second guess yourself afterwards.

You could end you letter:

You may reach me at 1-215-555-1212 if you would like to discuss this personally.

If he / she response to your request, you will know what type of person he /she is. And from there you can make a decision on ever going back there.

And I also would like to say, you did the best thing in just paying and leaving.
 

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I also think that it could happen in a crate, especially if the dog has started having some separation issues.

I cannot imagine a board/train facility having their charges running together in any manner that they may connect in a dog fight, though there are strange doggy day-care situations where they do run together. Evenso, one has to be practically inhuman to never fail in securing a gate. Why, this morning, when I had Joy in Far Field and the girls and I were getting Jenna's water, I looked out in the yard, and Joy was running back along the back fence and another dog was running alongside on the outside. Darn, it's Karma! She was in Near Field. I have forgotten to secure the gate when I brought in the last bag of dog food. She slipped right out and was having a good time.

With dogs that don't know each other, or with bitches who do, a fight can happen in milliseconds.

Did you pay for the vet bill too? Because, if the kennel picked up the tab on that, I think I would probably let it go, and if you are not thrilled with the training, I might go elsewhere for boarding in the future.

If you got stung with the vet bill too, well, I think that's pretty crappy. I mean, if the dog became ill, while in boarding, and it may not have been due to a slip up of some sort, I would expect to pay the vet. But if the dog gets injured, whether due to the equipment or another dog, I would expect the people who are being paid to keep the dog safe would pay that.

If they did, while it doesn't make things wonderful, it is true that poo happens when you are talking about living creatures.
 
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