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I can't wait for Neb to be old enough to come home! Only a little bit more!

I want to make sure I have everything I'll need for him - I made a list, if you can look at and offer suggestions or anything I'm missing, please let me know

HAVE:
-collar
-lead
-toys (puppy kong, puppy kong w/fabric, small rubber chicken, and a little green bone)
-dishes
-lifejacket for canoe trip in July (I was worried they'd sell out of smaller sizes, I think it will fit him at 11.5 weeks)
-box of THK Embark

NEED TO GET:
-tag
-harness (want him to try it on)
-more toys
-Orijen puppy kibble (will buy closer to)
-crate
-soft-sided crate (for trips)

and then he'll need shots (he's had his first set) and flea/hw treatment as well as a microchip.

thanks!
 

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Great list! And I'm glad to see you're already planning some fun activities for your pup.

The only things I see missing are some simple grooming tools---a brush for his coat, a toothbrush, a tool for nails (either clippers or grinder), and some puppy shampoo.

Start a regular routine of grooming with your pup while he is small. Puppies don't actually need that much grooming (puppy fuzz doesn't shed much), but if you wait until he is older and larger to start grooming, he will not be as easy to handle. This is especially important with nails, teeth and ears. Many adult dogs that weren't conditioned to having these parts fooled with as pups simply won't submit to it. They have to be sedated or restrained to have their nails trimmed.

Good luck with your new pup!

(Have you found a puppy kindergarten class or something similar to enroll in? They are great for socializing with other people and puppies. Worth the money.)
 

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Thanks! Phew!

I actually have a couple of nail clippers (one for the dogs, a smaller one that I use for the cats/rabbits/guinea pigs that should be perfectly puppy-sized), and a couple of brushes/combs that I can use on the little guy. Though, Luc is a dog that I can't clip his nails on my own - he freaks out - apparently, a shelter dog thing - that, combined w/both dogs having dark nails, means I usually take them in to get their nails done instead since I worry about cutting the quik.

Do you wash your puppy regularly? I hadn't thought of that. If nothing else, it'd be good to get him used to it.

We're going car camping for 3 days at the end of June, and then doing a 5.5 day canoe trip in Temagami in mid-July - since he might not be housetrained yet and I'm not having accidents in my new tent (I got a tarptent! Swoon! ....b/c I don't already have enough tents), I figured a soft-sided crate will be perfect, and can fit in a canoe pack.

I'm looking for puppy classes - I found a trainer I'm interested in that's close by, but the class starts June 4, and I'm in Montreal at a FR trial June 6-8 (though now I'm watching the Grand Prix on the 8th w/the bf), so he's coming home after that weekend. I'm hoping they'll add in another class, if not, I will probably find somewhere else.
 

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Quote: Do you wash your puppy regularly? I hadn't thought of that. If nothing else, it'd be good to get him used to it.
Not regularly...but if they get stinky, they get a bath. But as puppies, I make a point to give a couple of baths before the age of 18 weeks or so whether they need it or not---just to get them used to it. Make it fun. Lots of treats, praise, calm voice. Same with all grooming rituals. Start them early enough, and do it with enough positive reinforcement, and you can get them to do anything. My dogs love to be vacuumed! Seriously!
 

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There's a vacuum at the dog pool where Teagan goes for her hips, it's on reverse to help dry them after their post-swim shower....Teagan loves it, Luc....he leaves wet


One other quick question - I was just talking to the vet's office. They said I should be careful about taking Neb in public until he's had his last set of shots at 16 weeks!

Don't you need to socialize them before that? 4 months seems awfully old. I thought they'd already have gone through one fear period by then!

I was going to take him on the camping trips, and out to places (like Home Depot, there's one a 5 minute walk away), and on the bus/streetcar/subway, as well as to the bf's triathlons, but I was going to be careful about letting him socialize w/strange dogs (i.e., not allow it) and not let strangers maul him w/affection.

Is my plan okay? It seems to me like if I waited until 16 weeks I'd really miss out on a lot of socialization opportunities.
 

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I think you need to be careful frequenting spots where a lot of dogs congregate-like dog parks, off leash parks, favorite poop sites, etc. I think your camping adventures are fine-and sound like loads of fun. I believe the avoidance is more other dogs and possibly wildlife but the people events should be okay. Interested in what others have to say on this.

Some vets will tell you exactly what yours did, others will say after the second/third series of shots.

With acclimating with water, one of the things I did with Kayla was play in the sprinklers with her a lot, and let some of the neighborhood kids play with her in a kiddie pool out front-getting both water fun and some socialization with the kids. Now that we're on water rationing out here and I'm planning on a new puppy in the very near future, I may need to come up with some other kind of water adventures for the new puppy.
 

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okay, thanks. i wasn't planning on taking neb to any dog parks (i don't take my adults either), or anywhere where i saw strange dogs congregating - there will be a few other dogs at the triathlons, but i thought worst comes to worst i'll pick the little guy up. i thought camping, especially on the canoe trip, would be okay. i'd keep him on-leash on portages and i've already picked up a long line (forgot that on the list) for in-camp.

i was actually wondering about buying a sprinkler and doggy pool. i'd like to teach him to swim to learn young - teagan loves to swim and it's great to see her enjoying herself. we're still teaching luc, who obviously did not learn young.

neb's foster home said he'd be fine after the second set of shots (which he should get shortly after i get him).
 

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I think your vet's advice is good but I understand what you mean about socialization. The primary issue with taking a puppy out is parvo - it lives in the ground forever and it's all over the place. It does not require direct contact with another dog to contract. Just sniffing where a dog with parvo pooped 10 months ago can do it. So keeping your puppy away from other dogs isn't the issue that keeping your puppy away from places other dogs have been is.

I would not take a puppy anywhere near places like Petsmart or a dog park until they had had 3 sets of shots and were at least 4-5 months old and even then I'd stay away from the grass. I also don't let my puppy's feet touch the ground at the vet clinic or other heavy dog traffic places until at least that age (which gets tiring when it's a large breed puppy but better than parvo!)

But that doesn't mean you can't socialize your pup and you're right to want to do that. I'd suggest inviting lots of people over to visit, different kinds of people, different sizes of people. Adult dogs with a known history are okay. Go to friend's houses where you know there haven't been any sick dogs and let the puppy play in the yard and meet all of them. And there are some public places you can take your pup and either carry him or put him in a cart - although here again, I would put something down in the cart for him and avoid places like Petsmart where the carts are probably as germy as the floor.

Hope that helps! Congrats on your new baby!
 

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that's very helpful, thank you.

none of my dogs will go to a dog park....i took luc to one when i first got him, and leaving aside that it was terrible for him, i wasn't very impressed by the park. it would've been less terrible for him if i understood more how stepping up as a leader would help him over his fear of strange dogs, but it was in the first few weeks i had him and i wasn't yet that knowledgable.

based on the parvo stuff - it sounds like camping will be okay (campsite will be dirt, if that makes any difference), but i will keep him away from 'common' areas of the campground. we'll do some hiking when we're car camping, and i figured to let him meander a bit on the trail but that he'd mostly be carried.

what i'm going to do for carrying him hiking is the same i'll do for running - he'll be a runner when he's bigger, but in the meantime when i go out w/luc i'll use a snuggli i have (i used to have a kitten w/mega-e and stuck her in there after she'd drank her food so i could rock her and get the food to go down).

but yes, i want to travel lots of different ways with him, though'll i'll carry him while he's small, so he gets used to it and is comfortable.

thanks very much! yup, i'm very excited for him to come....i have to keep stopping myself from bugging the foster home everyday, it's a good thing they live across the city
 

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He should be fine after his second set of shots. That's all I get for my puppies. And I doubt the incidence of parvo is very high in the Ontario wilderness.


He should be able to do a lot of walking on his own. Chama started 4-5 mile walks with me and Massie when she was 5 weeks old. The first week I carried her most of the way but then she started walking on her own (by clear choice). She did her first backpacking trip when she was 12 weeks and she had no problems, even up at the high altitudes.

I agree with starting swimming early. I have not found that kiddy pools (unless they're really big) transfer to the swimming thing since they just splash around in the pool while their feet are always on the bottom. I have found that taking them swimming as young puppies works really well.

Oh, and my new tip on stuffy toys: hit yard sales. Rafi has significantly increased his collection at a very small impact to my wallet! Plus he gets to pick them himself!
 

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Huh Petsmart don't go??? I got Jesse in the dead of winter and Petsmart was my saviour to socialize Jesse right away, I was really careful who he came in contact with him. He even did their puppy education class which starts at 10 weeks and was the best thing in the world because he got socialized to big and small dogs, people of all nations, and ages inside the store. Jesse now thinks Petsmart is his third home (our house 1st, daycare 2nd) because he gets to play in the store, gets treats in the store and people there actually love him and love him up. On the flip side I have helped other owners while I was there with Jesse to help them socialize their pups to people and dogs. Jesse was always healthy as a horse and has been to all three of our Petsmarts here and all staff know him.
 

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that's good to know, i just couldn't see how i could keep him around the house until 4 months and possibly hope to end up w/a well-adjusted puppy!

when we're in killarney in june i will take him to the lake for some swimming, i think. and then in temagami in july he'll have the chance to practice some more.

ruth, that's very good to know. i haven't been sure how much hiking he'll be able to do - i know we'll do a couple of around 20k hikes in killarney, i figured he could walk until he gets tired....on the canoe trip, he can walk the portages, and we're actually going to canoe to the access point to ishpatina ridge (highest point in ontario) and hike to the top, so he can do that as well. we're not doing our first backpack until september (in temagami, again) but we're planning for it to be a relaxed trip for a variety of reasons.

i had been thinking of taking him and luc on the caledon end-to-end again this year - 3 days, between 20 and 25k/day, on cdn thanksgiving - i wasn't sure though. i figure i'll see how he's doing closer too, i don't want to over-exercise him. i'm expecting him to be between 30-40lbs, so joints won't be as much of an issue, but no reason to cause problems either.

good tip about the stuffy toys!

we don't have a petsmart near us, he may come with me to the pet valu on occasion but i was mostly thinking the home depot would be a good spot.
 

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I think everyone has to balance the risk-vs-reward of taking young puppies out into the world.

My opinion is this: I think that early socialization is far too important to stay home until 16 weeks or whatever the age is supposed to be. Use common sense--don't take the puppy to places where there may be feces from diseased dogs. But other than that, I take pups everywhere I go--parks, sidewalks, outdoor restaurants, ice cream stands, and stores (including PetSmart) I don't imagine the average PetSmart floor is any dirtier than the average vet's office waiting room floor.
 

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that's very common-sense tracy, thanks


i really want to make sure he's properly socialized. it seems like i would throw away a good opportunity if i didn't take him out for socialization.
 

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Originally Posted By: jarn-lifejacket for canoe trip in July (I was worried they'd sell out of smaller sizes, I think it will fit him at 11.5 weeks)
Hi -
Sounds like you got a lot of great advice here and have an active fun home for your new puppy!

I take my boys on boating camp trips frequently and I found the best lifejacket!!! If you are in the market for one I HIGHLY recommend the super soft!
They are made of Coast Guard approved material, very durable and they don't chaff at all. I have had my boys in them for up to 8 days at a time. The design is great for swimming and best of all they are cheep $10-$20!! I have one of each size (w/out the handle) to keep up with their growth. They are adjustable, I would think the medium would fit little Neb all summer! Good Luck!


http://futurepet.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=TEX25240
 

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those look nice, and a good price! i've already got him a ruffwear lifejacket (what they carry around here, and i wanted to be able to actually see it and have an idea of the size), but i will look into those for when he's older - thanks!
 

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I thought only Home Depot in the U.S. allow dogs to go in, I have heard here in Canada Home Depot doesn't they only allow guide dogs.... Anyone in Canada been able to go to Home Deport with there dog? I have never seen a Home Depot with dogs in it and I practically lived there a year ago during renovations.
 

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Originally Posted By: Luca_stl and stores (including PetSmart) I don't imagine the average PetSmart floor is any dirtier than the average vet's office waiting room floor.
100% agreed with, to me Vets office is like going to the hospital, bad germs and bugs.
 

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Originally Posted By: SherushI thought only Home Depot in the U.S. allow dogs to go in, I have heard here in Canada Home Depot doesn't they only allow guide dogs.... Anyone in Canada been able to go to Home Deport with there dog? I have never seen a Home Depot with dogs in it and I practically lived there a year ago during renovations.
I haven't, but I always see people w/their dogs at the one near me, and they are most definitely not guide dogs. Hmmm. I will have to call to check before I take him, I guess.
 

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Originally Posted By: jarn
Originally Posted By: SherushI thought only Home Depot in the U.S. allow dogs to go in, I have heard here in Canada Home Depot doesn't they only allow guide dogs.... Anyone in Canada been able to go to Home Deport with there dog? I have never seen a Home Depot with dogs in it and I practically lived there a year ago during renovations.
I haven't, but I always see people w/their dogs at the one near me, and they are most definitely not guide dogs. Hmmm. I will have to call to check before I take him, I guess.
Checking first is the best approach and you may want to check with other places as well. If they say no, then you're no worse off than when you begin and you may end up surprised at the number of places that will allow you to come in and work on socialization. It never hurts to ask.
 
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