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Hey all,

Okay, so we brought Maximus home and he loved his RAW food! He wolfed it down in no time flat. We started off with a 45/50/5 mix basically made up of chicken necks, chicken breasts and beef liver.

He was eating the chicken necks whole, so I started hand feeding him the necks, holding on to them, making him chew them first.

Then one day, he avoided the chicken breasts, but ate the liver and necks. I have some dated (expired the day given and bagged and put into the freezer) meat from the local grocery store and thought maybe something was wrong with it. The next day, I gave him chicken breast tenderloins (a different package) and he ate it fine. The following day, he wouldn't touch the chicken breast again... since he ate half of it the night before, I'm sure it wasn't the actual package. Then I replaced the chicken breast with pork hearts and he ate those. But then the next meal, he left them alone as well...

It had me a little worried, but after I hand fed him the chicken necks, I picked up the pork hearts and hand fed them to him and he ate them. I tried the chicken breasts at the next meal and again, if I hand fed them to him, he would eat them. Not like he did the first few days where he ate them like he loved them/hasn't eaten in days, but he ate them.

So, I'm a little confused as to why he won't eat what's in his bowl, but will eat it when it's hand fed. Also, why would he lose his desire for RAW all of a sudden? Is it maybe that he's just eating too much? We brought him home at 7.5 weeks and he weighed 12 lbs and looked a little chubby. A week later, he was just shy of 19lbs and seemed to be filling out well.

I give him approximately 1.8lbs of food a day in two meals.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. Should I cut back on how much he is eating?

As a side note, he is on his 7th day of meds for Giardia and Coccidia. Not sure if this would make a difference, so figured I would mention it.
 

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It seemed like a lot to me too... I've read one of Lauri's post where she said she feeds her pups 7% of their current body weight and I've also read the formula where you base it off of their ideal adult weight, which is what I used, going with 2.5% based on an active pup.
 

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I would try feeding him 3x a day if possible. Also I would put the bowl down wait 20 minutes then pick it up. I wouldn't reinforce hand feeding unless temporary -you feeding chicken necks to show how to chew. Also you could crate the pup with the food bowl, I always supervise, to help the pup focus on eating.
 

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Today is his first day home by himself while I work. (have someone coming by to take him out for a potty break). Since I won't be able to stop home during lunch, I started him on two meals a day, figuring that it will be his regular schedule as of today, so didn't want to change it up on him. I'd prefer to feed him 3x a day, just not an option :(

Do you think feeding him 3x a day on the weekends and then 2x during the week would be a problem? Or should I keep him on the same schedule all week?
 

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If he is going to be more active on the weekend and use more energy, I would go ahead a feed him a third meal. If you have a small meal ready when the person comes to take him potty could they give it to him?


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On the fourth Shepherd now, of my "Wolf Pack" and I have two tips for you... I have suffered both of what you are speaking of, with my 5 mo old Black Shepherd WD.. Now 23", 55 lbs.. :wub:

1) On the eating from your hand, it could be a bonding thing, he is so attached that he will eat from your hand food that he could not be bothered with otherwise... It is a personal touch and attention thing..

2) Second thing, and I am REALLY GUILTY of this one. Variety.... If you starve them with just the minimum requirements, they are easy to please and gobble down everything they get. This is by far the training soution... Me? Big softie, I give him variety, he does not like the same food more than about two days. Futher, my hobby is feeding him, when he eats big, I feel better... :rolleyes: In reality he is training me... If he does not like the food that day, he turns his nose up knowing I will probably get him something better later..:wild:

Smart dog, training me like that. :rofl:

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You could still give him three portions a day/ one fairly good size one in the am, then split the other portion around 5pm & 10pm. I gave my pups 3 meals til they hit about 16 weeks, then they were on 2x's per day(2# per day)
Green tripe should be a part of the diet from early on, it is the perfect balance of cal/phos and most dogs love it.
 

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Dante's Mom and Jane, I don't want to bother the neighbor, as he's being kind enough to do me a favor by taking Max out. But I think what Onyx suggested is good. I'll give him 10oz in the am (I did cut back on his meal last night and he ate that and then ate everything this morning) and then cut his 2nd meal into 2 meals. 5oz when I get home from work and 5 oz a couple of hours later. He did have one bile throw up in the am a few days ago, so that may help keep his belly full throughout the night.

Lone Ranger, not sure if it's that completely. I know it's a bonding thing, which is part of the reason I started feeding him by hand. But I do think he's like your pup in that he doesn't like the same thing for more than two days. I thought it about it a little more last night and I think it started when I started using some sirloin for training treats! I think when he looks at his bowl and then looks at me, he's looking at me like, well... Where's the beef? lol This morning, he was fine with the chicken breast and pork and finished his entire breakfast.

So for now, I'll keep his meals down to 20oz per day, 10oz in the am, and two 5oz meals in the afternoon/evening. Also, originally, I was keeping the MM in large pieces and let him chew on it for a bit. Last night and this morning, I cut them up into smaller pieces and I'm not sure if that helped, but he did eat everything. I'll experiement a little and see.

I only use the sirloin treats when I really want his attention, and I get it :)
 

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One more suggestion: The Sirloin treats are too much like a meal.. This can be counterproductive when he gets a meal he does not like as much as the sirloin treats...

I have found dried liver treats, crunchy, smells good (to him) are far better rewards as there is no meal conflict. Treats are treats, meal stuff is meal stuff...

I hope I have helped you...

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I agree, but had some sirloin I cubed and put in the freezer a while back... wanted to see if he in fact had a low food drive or just wasn't thrilled with the treats. I made 2 lbs of dried liver treats for him, he eats them, but wasn't over enthusiastic about them either. (they stunk up the house).

I did end up giving him 10oz in the am, 5oz after work and 5oz about an hour before bed and he's been eating everything. So I'll try and stay with that for now and see how it goes.

I still hand feed the chicken necks though. If I give him one, he'll chew it a bit, but then swallow. I'd rather he breat them up more before gulping them down.
 

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My pup was eating 3 7.5 ounce drumsticks a day at 8 weeks. It sounds like alot until you consider that she was gaining 1/2 lb a day. Now recently at 16 weeks she was on 2 1/4s a day and a meal of egg, supplement, pumpkin, yogurt. She is getting fat, as in ribs not as bony when I run my hands across, so im cutting down. Today she had about 1 1/2 lbs of whole ground baby cow and a couple chicken feet and the yogurt recipe.
 

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I had a similar issue and I took my puppy Nyxie to an animal specialist. What I learned is that puppy should NEVER eat pork or chicken. It's way too hard to digest. My puppy was having all types of problems, including parasites and rashes because of it. Once I switched to steak and duck, everything went back to normal and she's as healthy as can be. Duck and steak are the best for a dog. I mix in tripe a couple times a week and, of course, throw in a serving of vegetables with each meal.
Hope this helps.

Hey all,

Okay, so we brought Maximus home and he loved his RAW food! He wolfed it down in no time flat. We started off with a 45/50/5 mix basically made up of chicken necks, chicken breasts and beef liver.

He was eating the chicken necks whole, so I started hand feeding him the necks, holding on to them, making him chew them first.

Then one day, he avoided the chicken breasts, but ate the liver and necks. I have some dated (expired the day given and bagged and put into the freezer) meat from the local grocery store and thought maybe something was wrong with it. The next day, I gave him chicken breast tenderloins (a different package) and he ate it fine. The following day, he wouldn't touch the chicken breast again... since he ate half of it the night before, I'm sure it wasn't the actual package. Then I replaced the chicken breast with pork hearts and he ate those. But then the next meal, he left them alone as well...

It had me a little worried, but after I hand fed him the chicken necks, I picked up the pork hearts and hand fed them to him and he ate them. I tried the chicken breasts at the next meal and again, if I hand fed them to him, he would eat them. Not like he did the first few days where he ate them like he loved them/hasn't eaten in days, but he ate them.

So, I'm a little confused as to why he won't eat what's in his bowl, but will eat it when it's hand fed. Also, why would he lose his desire for RAW all of a sudden? Is it maybe that he's just eating too much? We brought him home at 7.5 weeks and he weighed 12 lbs and looked a little chubby. A week later, he was just shy of 19lbs and seemed to be filling out well.

I give him approximately 1.8lbs of food a day in two meals.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. Should I cut back on how much he is eating?

As a side note, he is on his 7th day of meds for Giardia and Coccidia. Not sure if this would make a difference, so figured I would mention it.
 

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I had a similar issue and I took my puppy Nyxie to an animal specialist. What I learned is that puppy should NEVER eat pork or chicken. It's way too hard to digest. My puppy was having all types of problems, including parasites and rashes because of it. Once I switched to steak and duck, everything went back to normal and she's as healthy as can be. Duck and steak are the best for a dog. I mix in tripe a couple times a week and, of course, throw in a serving of vegetables with each meal.
Hope this helps.
See there? The world is full of Experts that are wrong.. No offence, but disagree on two counts... If your dog is allergic to chicken or something, it is not common. Both Breeders and Bloodlines here with larger WD GSD lines feed chicken a couple of times a week. On the bone, raw chicken is really good source of calcium as well..

As to veggies, again, sorry.. These are about as close as you can get to wolves and veggies are out. None of Breeders here I have met would bother, it is just fillers in premade minced dog food. It may not hurt much, dog to dog, but it may deprive them of the protein and calcium in veggie mash as a young growing puppy. I would not include it as a regular thing, especially on a puppy, it could retard the growth potential a little..

This is a free world, do what you want. But I have four GSDs, and the two new ones I have done a lot of research for, and BARF, should mean Biologically Appropriate Raw Food, and for wolves that is meat, bone, organ, fish, poultry..
Your dog might have had a problem with chicken, maybe 50 here do not...

kind regards, GSD Lover in Australia :wub:
 

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Lawhyno - Please read Lori's website. She's a moderator here and put together a great page on RAW feeding. A lot of here feel that feeding RAW is the best thing we can do for our pups. If anything, it will give you some information to think about.

Here's the link: Welcome to the Raw Dog Ranch

As an update to Maximus eating, I think it was the Giardia and coccidia that was causing the problem. Just as he was finishing his cycle of anti-biotics, he is now officially in his landshard stage and he eats like there's no tomorrow :) He'll lick the bowl for 5 minutes and stare at me like, well... where the rest?

I actually increased his food back up to 1.8lbs a day.
 

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I had a similar issue and I took my puppy Nyxie to an animal specialist. What I learned is that puppy should NEVER eat pork or chicken. It's way too hard to digest. My puppy was having all types of problems, including parasites and rashes because of it. Once I switched to steak and duck, everything went back to normal and she's as healthy as can be. Duck and steak are the best for a dog. I mix in tripe a couple times a week and, of course, throw in a serving of vegetables with each meal.
Hope this helps.
I hope you are adding in some bones and organ meat, raw feeding should be balanced. I've fed chicken, pork, beef, and other proteins to my puppies with no problems. Please look at Lauri's site, the ratio of bones, meat and organ are extremely important for a growing puppy. Tripe is the 'greens' I give, no need to throw in veggies.
As an update to Maximus eating, I think it was the Giardia and coccidia that was causing the problem. Just as he was finishing his cycle of anti-biotics, he is now officially in his landshard stage and he eats like there's no tomorrow He'll lick the bowl for 5 minutes and stare at me like, well... where the rest?

I actually increased his food back up to 1.8lbs a day.
Glad to read Max is doing better...and that you are feeding more. When I read your earlier post of the portions, it seemed very low for a male GSD. Growth spurts may have you adjusting it as well.
 
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