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Riley was limping about 2 months ago. I was told it could be pano, change the food and if it doesn't get better they'll do x-rays. It got better. They even said he was moving a lot better at training. (traning is at the vet and the vet looked at him while we were there)

Last week we noticed a bump on the same leg up near the elbow. Her said it could just be brusing or he bumped it. Keep an eye on it and if it gets bigger have him seen. The bump got smaller and then got large again and he has been limping again. The vet looked at it on Thursday and said I should bring him in for x-rays.

Today I brought him in and our normal vet examined him. He thinks it's elbow dysplasia, but x-rays are needed. I take him back Monday for those. He also said surgery would be needed if it is dysplasia. Poor Riley. :(
 

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I hope the xrays turn up something simple or even better nothing. Sending good thoughts :)
 

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Thank you. I hope it's something simple. He's only going to be 7 months (June 5). The vet said this is when it usually occurs. The good thing is he's not in pain. The vet said there's probably some discomfort though.
 

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Just went through an ED scare with my 10 month old. He was randomly going lame and having pain in his front legs. My vet diagnosed him with an incongruent elbow, which is a precursor to ED. I took him to an orthopedic surgeon for a second opinion and had him and the radiologists review the x-rays. The ortho surgeon palpitated Berlins elbows, hips, legs, paws, everywhere, trying to find ANYTHING that could indicate ED. Nothing. My boy ended up having perfectly fine elbows. So, dont stress yet, get x-rays first (no way to tell if a dog has ED without x-rays) and get a second opinion from a specialist. Good luck, and I hope it doesnt end up being ED!
 

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Thank you. I'm freaking out and my husband says he'll be fine, we'll get it fixed. The thought of him having to have surgery and a 6 to 8 week recovery is just sad. :(
 

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Thank you. I'm freaking out and my husband says he'll be fine, we'll get it fixed. The thought of him having to have surgery and a 6 to 8 week recovery is just sad. :(

Oh I know, I was an anxious mess for 5 days. I literally was dying to see the specialist, I just wanted a peace of mind, and a second opinion. So glad I got it. Regardless if he had ED or not, I was going to do whatever he needed, surgery, etc. Glad you are willing to do the same! And yep, made me sad to think about that too, but it was even more sad to think about what it would be like if it wasnt fixed. :( Wishing you guys the best. Keep us updated!
 

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I attached a picture of the bump. The vet says it's joint swelling. He was hobbling around a bit yesterday, but today he is doing better. He doesn't appear to be in pain, so that's good. We'll find out soon what's wrong....
 

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x-rays have been done. My vet thinks he has a fracture. I can't really tell from the xray. The position on the right leg (it's the injured leg) was slightly different than the left leg. So, it's difficult for me to compare. He goes to see an orthopedic surgeon for a consultation on Sunday.

He also x-rayed the hips. I was happt, because I've been concerned. Just because it can be an issue in the breed, but the hips look good. The position with the hip x-ray was not ideal, but they look good.

 

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The right elbow looks a little off...is that the one?
 

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The right elbow looks a little off...is that the one?
yes, that's the one. On the picture with both legs straight the swelling can be seen. The vet thinks he sees a fracture in the right one.
 

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Oh, yeah I notice that now!. Well, wishing you well at the ortho vet. :( Hope you get some good news.
 

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The ortho vet asked how he injured it. I told them I had no idea. He was limping and I saw swelling so I brought him in. The last three day he has been walking with no limp, running around and playing.

I'm hoping it's nothing to serious. The more I obsess over the x-rays the more differences i see in the two elbows.
 

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Riley went to the specialist today. She feels it's Osteochondritis dissecans.She said it looks like there may have been pano in the leg in the past and for now she will place that on the back burner as far as diagnosing that as the issue. She can't tell for sure in the x rays that it is Osteochondritis dissecans. A CT scan needs to be done. We could not get it done today because the radiologist was not there. We'll have to go back during the week. He showed signs of pain in both elbows for the exam, but the left elbow looks clean in x-rays.

She said he doesn't seem to have pano now. He didn't show any pain for that exam. Also, she examined his hips. He didn't show any pain and the x rays look pretty good. Due to not ideal positioning she can't rule out hips dyspalsia from just the x-rays , but she said they seemed fine.

He starts on a joint supplement and soon he will be getting the CT scan.

I should point out. They did not do the x-rays there. They are the x-rays my vet did. She was doing the consultation with them.
 

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I'm very sorry for your diagnosis. I believe I can see the OCD in the right elbow. The left elbow looks normal to me. The CT scan will give you a better view of that though. Hope it's an easy fix and he'll be back to good in no time!


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It's something that can be fixed. She was going to give us anti inflammatory to try to see if it helped for two weeks, but Riley has a very sensitive stomach. So, she said to wait after tha CAT scan so we know whats wrong.

The vet is 85 miles away from me and the CAT scan requires him to be put under, so it will probably be an all day thing. I have to try and get time off work. That's the hold up right now. Hopefully within the next two weeks we can get it down.
 

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After thinking about this for a day. I really thought about what the vet said about everything. What comes to mind is she has no idea what is wrong with Riley She thinks it could be OCD or pano. She also said most dogs come in at 2 to 3 years old and they can only treat the arthritis and then said if Riley does have OCD they will remove the cartridge, but that will only help in the short term he will still get arthritis.

Watching Riley walk with basically no limp, he shows no pain and he runs and bounds after flys with no problems.....my thoughts are to wait for the CT scan. She also said she is not worried about his bump at all. It sounds like he will get arthritis regardless of what we do. If we do the CT scan and she feels it's not surgical then we treat with glucosamine or anti inflammatory meds.

So for now we are waiting. We will wait to see if he remains the same or gets better. We are starting glucosamine.

Don't get me wrong, if he could not walk, was limping badly or showing sign of pain we would get him right in I just don't think it's necessary right now. Especially when she offered to put him on anti inflammatory meds for two weeks to see if that helps. I may still pick those up from my local vet. It was a tough decision and I can reverse it and do the CT scan if he declines any.
 
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