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My dogs name is Samson and he is 4 years old. He has a pancreas disease and is not doing very well. I have done a lot of research about EPI because I heard it was common for GSD. Our vet has not confirmed that it is EPI. She keeps saying that it is some kind of pancreas disease and just keeps doing tests on him. Samson was on powder enzymes on his grain free dry dog food for about a year. He hadnt really changed expect when we took him off it, he got worse so we put him back on it. He was still gurgly and his poop wasn't look good. I looked up some different medicines for him that might be stronger. About a month ago we got raw cow pancreas to give him with his food. The vet has given him steroids to help with inflammation and other pills. Nothing seems to be working as he is still stagnant with his weight. He is very skinny and scrawny looking. I can touch the bumps in his spine and ribs. He is still energetic and loves people but recently he is very very hungry all the time. We are cutting him back on the steroids but I wanted to know if anyone has the same problems and what you think we should do? The odds are looking very bad for him right now and I need someone's help!! Please and thank you!
 

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I can't help you right off the top of my head, but just wanted to let you know that my prayers are with you and Samson!
 

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hi there devon...i'm sorry but there isn't a lot we can do to help you with your dog's physical problems over the internet. you say your vet keeps saying it's some kind of pancreas disease and just keeps doing tests. do you know what tests have been done? what exactly is your vet treating him for with the steroids? also, if you tell us what area you're in, we might be able to suggest other resources you could use. you want to be very careful in giving Samson different things yourself for treatment...you say the vet gave him steroids and "other pills", what are those pills? different prescription drugs can have interactions and side effects themselves, particularly antibiotics on the GI tract. there are so many unknowns in your post that it's really hard to be of help. how long have you had Samson and has he always had these difficulties? welcome to the board, i'm so sorry you're Samson is having these health difficulties. i'm thinking that in your next to last sentence you mean that the odds aren't looking very good for him right now. do you think he's not able to utilize any nutrition from what he does eat?
 

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Sounds like epi, but I'm no vet. How about taking her to a new vet and asking for her to be tested for it, not sure why this one won't. I believe there are specific enzymes they need if it is indeed epi.
 

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It took 6 months to have the vet finally confirm my dog Molly had EPI. Even with enzymes she continued to lose weight. I took her to a gastro specialist who confirmed she had epi and sibo and low b12. Enzymes - with multiple small meals per day (4) low fat food. I used Natural balance chicken, but have recently switched to an all raw diet. All three of these diseases are malabsorption issues so unless all treated they cannot process the food. Enzymes for the food, tylan powder for the sibo and b12 shots. All EPI dogs are different. some respond to just the enzymes, so not so much. SIBO does not always turn up during the test, but per the specialist we treated her for it and immediately she began to gain weight.

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hi there devon...i'm sorry but there isn't a lot we can do to help you with your dog's physical problems over the internet. you say your vet keeps saying it's some kind of pancreas disease and just keeps doing tests. do you know what tests have been done? what exactly is your vet treating him for with the steroids? also, if you tell us what area you're in, we might be able to suggest other resources you could use. you want to be very careful in giving Samson different things yourself for treatment...you say the vet gave him steroids and "other pills", what are those pills? different prescription drugs can have interactions and side effects themselves, particularly antibiotics on the GI tract. there are so many unknowns in your post that it's really hard to be of help. how long have you had Samson and has he always had these difficulties? welcome to the board, i'm so sorry you're Samson is having these health difficulties. i'm thinking that in your next to last sentence you mean that the odds aren't looking very good for him right now. do you think he's not able to utilize any nutrition from what he does eat?
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I know he has had blood tests, and stool samples done before. However our vet says that there is no specific diagnosis for EPI and that's why she keeps trying new medicines and different methods.
I was told the steroids are used for inflammation in the intestines/bowels.
And she has put him on metronidazole, prednisone, and omeprazole (the same kind for humans).
He has been on antibiotics and probiotics before and they did not help him.
And we have had Samson since he was a puppy and we started noticing rocks in his poop because he used to eat rocks in our backyard then he would miss a meal, he would be extremely gasy and his stomach would make these very loud and bubbly sounds and his poop was diarrhea, this was when he was a puppy. When we took him to the vet that's when he was diagnosed with a pancreas/enzyme deficiency.
And yes that's exactly what I think that his food and whatever he eats goes right through him without giving him the proper nutrition.
We live near Philadelphia PA
Currently we are just going to see how the raw pancreas works for him and as of now his poop is looking formed. I hope it stays that way, but then where do we go from there and how does he gain the weight he needs?
Thank you so much for your prayers and thoughts!!
 

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Your dog needs to fast for 12 hours and have blood drawn and sent to be tested for EPI.

There is a test for EPI, and if your vet doesn't know this, you need to find a new vet. Sorry for being blunt. SIBO (small intestine bacterial overgrowth) and low vitamin B often accompany EPI, and these should be tested as well. Also, even if there is no problem with those, they can cause problems down the line, so you might need to check these again down the line.

It took about a week to get the blood tests, maybe 4-5 days, but my dog was diagnosed with EPI very quickly, and I got enzymes from Enzyme Diane, and apply them to the kibble with some warm water and let it sit for at least 20 minutes. She has gained 13 pounds as of about a month ago. It is not so much low fat, as low fiber 3 or below 4 I think. Fat is a maybe, though other pancreas problems might need lower fat, not sure.

I am sure that others are feeding raw and doing some type of pancreas, but I think I would want to get my dog stable somehow and quickly, and then mess around with raw/pancreas if that is what I wanted to do.

Good luck with your critter. Start with a real diagnosis and a real plan, like 1/2 teaspoon to 1 cup food, etc.
 

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Will the enzyme powder from enzyme Diane be different than the enzyme powder he is on now. The bottle of powder we are using says "pancrezyme" ??
 

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I don't know. I am a newbie to EPI. First she needs a conclusive diagnosis. This stuff costs me about $70 for six weeks.

This is what the enzymes my girl is on from Enzyme Diane has:


Food Grade Pancreatin 6x Digestive Enzyme Powder
Manufactured in the USA From glands sourced from the USA
Example of Potency: Reevaluate June 2015​
Protease: 442,400 USP/2.8 grams​
Amylase: 498,400 USP/2.8 grams​
Lipase: 66,920 USP/2.8 grams​
 

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My 2 1/2 year old male GSD has only just been diagnosed with having EPI.

After a year and half I finally went to a vet someone recommended to me ages ago, and she immediately did the EPI blood test and it came back positive. I wish I had of gone to this vet ages ago.

Please, tell your vet you want a blood test done for EPI - demand it.

My boy has been on EPI medication (Creon) for about 6 weeks now and he put on 3 kilos in 3 weeks - I have not increased his food, it is simply the 'Creon' medication acting as his pancreas and he is therefore able to digest food.

I didn't test him for SIBO but suspect he has it due to his stools, so I am also treating him for SIBO using Tylan (Tylosin) and by the 2nd week his stools are great. He is now happy, calm, has gained weight and looks more like a 2 1/2 year GSD male.

Please insist they do the test - it will save a lot of worry if you find out your GSD is because it is so easy to manage.

Below are the links for EPI medication

Creon:-
CREON® (pancrelipase) Delayed-Release Capsules| Official Website
I buy it from an online chemist in Australia:-
Creon 10000BPU Capsules 100 - Chemist Warehouse


Tylan (Tylosin) is only available as prescription from your vet
01 Tylosin (Tylan®) - VeterinaryPartner.com - a VIN company!
Make sure you treat for SIBO using Tylosin for 45 days.

Good luck and I hope you find your answers and solutions soon.
 

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I heard that feeding your dog Green Tripe can help a lot with EPI. So you could try that. A guy on youtube talks about Green Tripe and how it saved his dogs life who had problems with his pancreas. You could look it up. Its called "green tripe" by stunner4500. I hope all goes well.

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If you can do it, changing vets sounds like a good idea. Probably changing foods and trying supplements on your own from others' recommendations is not the best idea, you really need a good vet, maybe even a specialist. Your poor boy, I hope you can get to the bottom of this quickly and have him on the road to recovery soon. My feeling is that a change in vets is the answer, but I wouldn't delay another minute. Take care, good luck.
 
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