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This is not something we are interested in....these are our first shepherds.....never considered breeding or allowing people to use them for breeding....not sure what it would be involved, but seems like a lot to learn and worry. Someone mentioned this site to post pics and get opinions if I should consider it...I personally would never do the female...because we don't want puppies here...and don't want the headache of it...but opinions about Miles would be welcomed. I read tonight, for proper breeding, people want multiple titles, conformations especially for our working lines shepherds. If miles does not fit the bill...I don't want to start any process of conformations, something that is focused on interest in breeding if he is not what the breed is looking for. He is a year old, so he has some growing to do and filling out to do....he has tons of work, play, prey drive....but his looks don't seem like other shepherds....even though we know he is, and his litter mate/sister looks like shepherd and the papers and family lines say he is...people say he does not look like a shepherd. Thank you for any opinions and advice....has anyone gone through conformations? These are the pics I had access to on my phone....if you need different angles I will add them. ImageUploadedByPG Free1389322052.926927.jpg ImageUploadedByPG Free1389322676.775281.jpg ImageUploadedByPG Free1389322685.005993.jpg [/ATTACH] ImageUploadedByPG Free1389322086.458098.jpg ImageUploadedByPG Free1389322140.175945.jpg ImageUploadedByPG Free1389322206.292858.jpg ImageUploadedByPG Free1389322238.742284.jpg ImageUploadedByPG Free1389322263.408641.jpg ImageUploadedByPG Free1389322639.407532.jpg


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He doesn't look like anything BUT a shepherd!

Why conformation? Go train and trial him. Find out what he's really got. And then decide if he will contribute to the breed.
 

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Wha????? people say he doesnt look like a shepherd? that crazy, when i looked at him the first thought that went thru my head was "wow what a good looking shepherd" ....jeeze..i have a bi colored male which i love the look of alot but your guy is just a stunner!
 

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I get the question of whether or not my boy is a shepherd all the time. I think a lot of it has to do with his color. He is a sable like your guy. I think that is what throws everyone off.

As far as breeding him goes I personally wouldn't do it unless I planned on becoming a breeder and dedicating a lot of time and energy to it. There is just so much involved. He is very stunning though. Makes me think of my Ammo.
 

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The on-the-street people asking you these questions would not be people knowing enough to better the breed. My first long hair would get "Do you plan to breed her? I really want a long haired shep!" inquiries. Sorry no. There are plenty of people that do responsible breeding out there but I doubt that they are the people looking to mate their dogs with yours.

To do this responsibly you need to know a lot more about pedigrees than I do. You also have to have a bunch of health clearances (hips, elbows etc.) Hopefully at least a certain amount of performance titles if you want to sell a pup to anyone that tries to trial it.
 

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These photos are not really suitable for this forum. If you want conformation critiques please read the two stickies at the top of the forum. They will give you a better idea about what is required.

Thank you ADMIN
 

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These are our first shepherds...we thought and read the straight back was very much part of the distinction of the working line...a lady that does lots of AKC shows...not sure if her experience is the best or if she has her own idea of what a shepherd is....she told us he needed to have a rounded back....I explained we had bought the working line...one parent was a import and the other was from an import...so the family had straight backs and all the dogs in the family are registered...in Germany, US or both. She stood her ground and I just switched the topic to training....:)
Some people will bully you with their opinions and never understand or hear anything but their idea or opinion. They are both in training every Saturday....a guy who trains owns and works five of his own working line dogs...very talented man... Definitely challenging our dogs....the pups just turned a year....trying to decide what direction to head as far as trial or competitions.
As far as conformation....one lady that gave us her number, who was very interested, said if we agreed and she was able to use him as a stud after researching family lines....she said he would need conformation....??? That is why I mentioned conformation! I have read all day...and I feel like I am on information over load...but since they reached a year old and are getting so advanced in training...we really have to decide in what direction we will be heading...
Thank you....I love them both so much...but know he has sharper features than Millie who has the classic shepherd eyes, mussel and ears...:-/


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What a handsome pair!!! Not that many people are familiar with working line sables - I know the first time I saw a sable, I did not recognize it as a German Shepherd, so used was I to only seeing black and tans.

It seems that most of us, at one time or another, get asked if we would breed our dogs. But you are thinking along the right lines - doing it right is a huge responsibility. People asking you to breed may just be looking for a puppy on the cheap, and that is a pretty poor reason to breed a dog.

Just enjoy your dogs. If people ask you about breeding them, just answer "Thank you, but these dogs are not for breeding". If people like your dogs and want one like them, direct them to the breeder you got them from.

Good breeders didn't become good breeders because one day, they started thinking about breeding the dog they own. They were first and foremost dog people that were neck deep into everything about their breed - they had trained and titled numerous dogs, participated in a bazillion different dog activities and sports, had hands-on training of working dogs, read everything about their breed, studied pedigrees and lines, sought out and hung out with knowledgeable dog people and breeders to learn all they could, THEN after making dogs their life and obsession, went into breeding because of the knowledge they have accumulated over the years.

That would be one reason to breed. Your dogs may be super nice (as is mine!), but that does not mean they should be bred. If your gut is telling you "Well . . . I'm not sure about this", follow your gut feeling.
 

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These photos are not really suitable for this forum. If you want conformation critiques please read the two stickies at the top of the forum. They will give you a better idea about what is required.

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I moved the thread out of Critique to Breeding. OP, if you can get stacked pictures of your dog you can post them in Critique.
 

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These photos are not really suitable for this forum. If you want conformation critiques please read the two stickies at the top of the forum. They will give you a better idea about what is required.

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So very sorry....new to site....did not know each thing had different rules....I will be more careful!


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Nice looking red sable. The AKC-showline lady has her opinions, and she should wait until someone asks for it. But whatever.

Lots of people don't have a clue about the variety in the breed. Just enjoy your dogs. Learn all you can about them. If down the line you think one of them ought to be bred, you can address that then. Don't be pushed by outsiders in either direction. Just continue to learn. Let your dog teach you. Become an awesome trainer and enjoy your pups.
 

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What a handsome pair!!! Not that many people are familiar with working line sables - I know the first time I saw a sable, I did not recognize it as a German Shepherd, so used was I to only seeing black and tans.

It seems that most of us, at one time or another, get asked if we would breed our dogs. But you are thinking along the right lines - doing it right is a huge responsibility. People asking you to breed may just be looking for a puppy on the cheap, and that is a pretty poor reason to breed a dog.

Just enjoy your dogs. If people ask you about breeding them, just answer "Thank you, but these dogs are not for breeding". If people like your dogs and want one like them, direct them to the breeder you got them from.

Good breeders didn't become good breeders because one day, they started thinking about breeding the dog they own. They were first and foremost dog people that were neck deep into everything about their breed - they had trained and titled numerous dogs, participated in a bazillion different dog activities and sports, had hands-on training of working dogs, read everything about their breed, studied pedigrees and lines, sought out and hung out with knowledgeable dog people and breeders to learn all they could, THEN after making dogs their life and obsession, went into breeding because of the knowledge they have accumulated over the years.

That would be one reason to breed. Your dogs may be super nice (as is mine!), but that does not mean they should be bred. If your gut is telling you "Well . . . I'm not sure about this", follow your gut feeling.
Thank you so much....the thought of bloodlines, titles, competitions, making sure my dog was safe and along with dealing with everything else that goes into have a dog in breeding....just seems like it would take a couple of decades to learn...! I guess my gut was leading me the correct direction! When I am that hesitant and conflicted it usually means walk away.
Thank you so much....very much how I was leaning....just enjoying them like we have been....:)

Thank you to all who offered, and again so very sorry for posting wrong! I am usually a rule follower, computers are not my friend. My girls taught me how to work this app...:) I just don't make time to play with electronics....the dogs prefer outside.


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Nice looking red sable. The AKC-showline lady has her opinions, and she should wait until someone asks for it. But whatever.

Lots of people don't have a clue about the variety in the breed. Just enjoy your dogs. Learn all you can about them. If down the line you think one of them ought to be bred, you can address that then. Don't be pushed by outsiders in either direction. Just continue to learn. Let your dog teach you. Become an awesome trainer and enjoy your pups.
Thank you.....it does seem people offer opinions without being asked...


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I don't know if you saw this decision making flow chart.


It's actually a sticky in this forum:
http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/thinking-about-becoming-breeder/149386-should-i-breed-my-dog-flowchart.html
Wow....thank you! I have not checked out the sticky on this site....I went back to the other place to read those so I don't make the same mistake again.
Will check definitely start checking sticky notes.

I seriously did not think I had the mental energy... With two teens, advanced classes, homework, training pups....just did not think I had the amount of time needed to do right by the breed!

I will say....we will never own another breed! They are so amazing everyday...the brains, thinking process, problem solving, energy, love, dedication.....and goofy playfulness...nothing better! We as a family give thanks everyday we got the dogs we did....and we will continue to read about their family lines, learn everything we can about them and just enjoy them without the stress of breeding...my guts likes relaxed time, reading for enjoyment and not I have to learn everything right away...or at least attempt to....thank you for your help...and info! It's like felt my hesitation.


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I just say SURE my stud fee is 2000$:)
 

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Your dogs are beautiful! But so are many of our dogs... and I'm like you the idea of what is involved with breeding is just too much for me. The learning, background and experience involved with all the genetics, temperament, bloodlines and genetics is just crazy. The fact that 2 great dogs individually, when bred, can have a nighmare litter of puppies just cause of the genetic blend is scary to me ACK!

That said we do have some great breeders on this site. So to think about that as a far in the future goal isn't bad. Have you seen this --> http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/choosing-breeder/137533-things-look-responsible-breeder.html it's another sticky that's useful to learn when looking for a responsible breeder. So it has all what is involved with being one.

I know it's not for me!

Though training and trialing and doing fun dog sport things is a blast and helps get YOUR breeders name out. So you are supporting someone who you love, love their dogs, can go to in the future for a puppy, but leaving most of the hard job to them.
 
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