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I took my almost 5 month old pup to the vet today , because his gait looked a little bouncy/swaying in the rear , he frog sits a lot , and he yelped in pain the other day and seemed to be favoring one rear leg , but it passed quickly and he was running around with the zoomies like normal.

First , she puts him at 4.5 months or newly 5 months based on his teeth and structure and size. He is 48 pounds and a nice heavy bone , but not too heavy :)

She watched his gait , and said she saw more puppy related muscle/joint laxity , and maybe growing pains . She found ful range of motion in both hips , full extension no problem , no popping or dislocating was felt . No pain , no tenderness , no reaction from Alvin . He jumped up on the window sill to have a looksee outside , full extended , no issue .

She said that since she saw no pain , no evidence of discomfort , lameness , or anything like that she did not feel x rays needed to be done right away. She mentioned that in order to get a good quality x ray for him , full sedation would be required. They do OFA xrays there , even though we are not looking to do that , just looking to see what intervention can be done if needed.

She felt that even if you aren't going to OFA , you are better off with OFA quality xrays.

She also felt that even if his hips look good now , they might not at 1 year so it is no guarantee.

Considering he is cryptorchid ( she was actually more concerned about that since she could not feel his other testicle and was afraid it was well in his abdomen , she was concerned he was at risk for torsion) she said she would want to do x rays and neutering at 9 months , and that while he was under for that it would be a good time to do the xrays ( to avoid radiating and sedating him twice) . I told her I wanted to wait until at least a year , preferably to maturity of 15-18 months..but she was concerned about torsion. Of course at the end of the day it is my choice. She could still do the initial xrays at that time.

So my questions - if your 4.5 month od was frog sitting sometimes , and had a bumble butt look to his slow walk ( but not when trotting or running at all) , would you get him xrayed now or wait until he ages and builds a bit more muscle ?

My other question - what are opinions of neutering at 9 or 12 months due to cryptorchidism ?

At about 1 year old Alvin will be doing an eval to see if he qualifies to be service dog in training..if that weighs in on your opinions . And I have no idea of his parent's health since I rescued him at 3 months old.

Thanks in advance!
 

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Most of what you were told was said to me by an ortho vet. Before we did X-rays he told me that alot of puppies are lose, frog sit and have a funny gait. He said especially when they are growing so fast. he would do the X-rays for my piece of mind, but that without pain he wouldn't even recommend it until 2 years. I had it done for piece of mind because my puppy didn't have full extension in one leg.

We did find out he had pano and he gave us rimadyl.
 

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If I were in your area and shopping for a vet, I'd go to your vet.

Puppies have a tendency to do the 'puppy flop' when they sit. They all do. You won't even realize it when he stops doing it. One day you'll realize you haven't seen him do it in a while. At this age, nothing to be concerned with.

Due to his retained testicle, I'd follow your vet's advice. Research, get educated on the subject. Then you'll feel better which ever way you decide.
 

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Thank you ! :)
 

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Sounds reasonable. I don't know anything about torsion on a retained testicle but maybe there is a reason she is particularly concerned about it. By 9 months "most" of the height should be done.
 

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I like what your vet has told you. And getting a quality x-ray is worth its weight in gold. Do they have a digital machine? I will never go to another vet that doesnt have a digital machine.

Just finished on online Canine Theriogenology course, here is what the instructor said about cryptorchidism:
Cryptorchidism: lack of descent of one or both testes into the scrotum by 6 months of age. Retained testes predisposed to neoplasia, torsion of the spermatic cord.

If you are not talking with a reproductive specialist, you can. Even if to just ease your mind on what is involved with a retained testicle. And get that vets opinion on when to castrate. Growth plates have sometimes not closed until after 12 months of age, one reason we cannot OFA hips until after 24 months of age, too much growing going on.
 

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Thanks for the valuable info all! I will continue to research , and I will stick with this vet :)
 

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Sounds like a good vet and one who takes the time to explain things is a big plus!!!!

Lee
 
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