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Dog deets: 14 months. Black gsd. 80 lbs. Female.

Issue: started bleeding 5 days ago. 1st heat. I had intended to spay her. (Be nice. I have and am being mentally punished by my own CNS.)

Question: Use the local clinic that can spay her in 4 weeks or the clinic 90 miles from me can do it in a few days from today?

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gosh, if she is already being made to lay low and protected and kept isolated ... Why not make it also due to the 2 week spay recovery? You know...2 birds one stone?

ALSO ME: extra blood risk!
 

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If it were me, I would allow her to get through her 1st heat and then spay her a few months after. You are already going through the motions might as well let her get it out of her system. She will be healthier for it in the long run. I am going through the same mental motions of the "To Spay or Not to Spay now" with our female. We do want to spay her, I am waiting as long as possible and will get through at least 1 heat cycle before spaying her. She is already such an emotional dog, we are in for a world of hurt once she starts....

A lot of people are against spaying, I understand why - I don't want to do anything to my dog either. I don't want to change her. I also do not want puppies and even if we alter our male she could still get pregnant by another unaltered male. I looked into all the alternatives to a traditional spay as well they are just not widely available and are for now very cost prohibiting for us. We can get Chon spayed for $105 at the local clinic who are wonderful, to get a ovary sparring spay would cost almost $1,000. Our male to get a vasectomy over a traditional neuter would be $800.

Its crazy - Good luck with your girl, whatever you choose to do!
 

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Why not just wait until it's over? This isn't the end of the world. My 10 month old is in heat right now. It's not easy with an intact male in the house. He's lost is mind and won't shut up. But closing doors and rotating crates is not that hard.

Just make sure you don't leave her outside alone. And if you have males, Close the doors!
 

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Do NOT spay while in heat!! The risk of serious internal bleeding is much too great!

One of my females was spayed at the proper time between heats, and even then, she bled internally. The vet had to go back in and redo the stitching on some of the blood vessels, or she might have died.
 

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I think I will wait until November. Can't thank you enough for replying. And for some unnecessary musing : I DO NOT LIKE THE HEAT CYCLE. I WANT BEAR SPRAY AND DOG CHASITY BELTS AND ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY HER A PRIVATE PLAYGROUND WITH ALL NUETERED DOGS THAT LOVE TO PLAY.
 

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Although I, too, had trepidations about an intact female when I lived in the city, I found it very manageable. I spayed her at 4 yo because she had false pregnancies and behaved in a manner that gave female dogs a bad name... Current youngest is intact at nearly 6 yo. No pregnancies as of yet.


As far as "bitch britches" go, neither dog minded and the current intact bitch comes joyfully to the call "panties!" She knows she's special with those drawers. They're relatively easy to make if you sew - so we have one pair that's camouflage, the original pair that's hot peppers, and another homemade pair that's wolves.



Relax. You can handle this.
 

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I've had up to 5 intact bitches and 2 intact males at one time. It's all about management. The males kick up a fuss and sometimes go off their food. The bitches can get downright snappy and grumpy. Some get super clingy and lovey. It can be messy depending on the female. Some are cleaner, some not. It can be noisy and annoying. They all got used to it after awhile and the chaos died down.

It's just a couple weeks of inconvenience, strong barriers and keeping a sharp eye out for stray dogs. Glad you decided to wait until she's between heat cycles then spay. You'll thank yourself for it later and your dog will be much better off for it.
 

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We do not alter until they are at least 2, and with my current brood, I have an intact male, and 2 intact females (one senior still goes into heat, and a puppy who hasn’t). My male Husky/GSD has a very easy time when my senior is in heat. We crate him, use different areas of the backyard (multiple different fenced areas), and never let them out together.

With my female senior, she’s never had any issues either when in heat. She gets a little more clingy, but other than that, there’s almost no difference. She is very good at keeping herself and her areas clean, so we don’t need the panties. She cleans up after herself better than my kids do! However, she is the first female I’ve kept intact, and she was rescued from a breeding ring, and had countless litters before she came to me, so I’m not sure if that makes it easier with her than other females that haven’t had pups. I don’t breed, and have no intentions of ever breeding! It’s hard work, more than I’m willing to do (bad experience with my rescue and her pups), so we will either spay our female at 2yrs, or neuter our male, he’s past the two year mark. We haven’t done it yet because we have had zero issues with them both intact. We will not spay or neuter unless our male reacts badly to the pup when she does eventually go into heat.
 

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As someone who in the past had to do an emergency spay of a female in heat you don't want to go down that road if you don't have too. The long list of complications above and beyond a normal spay was a bit scary. Then add the sudden loss of female hormones while they are at high levels while in heat only complicates recovery.

It costs more. They are under anesthesia longer which increases risk. Higher risk of bleeding. Higher risk of post operative anemia due to greater blood loss. Higher risk of post op infection especially if there is anemia. Due to high vascular flow related to heat cycle complications such as post op seromas (fliud build up at incision site) is increased. We had this issue and our female had to undergo a second surgery which increased recovery time from 2 weeks to 4 weeks plus the need for additional pain meds an antibiotics. Oh and the cost of a second surgery.
If it's not necessary it's just not worth the risk for convenience sake in my honest opinion.

I'm glad you decided to wait until she is out of active heat.
 

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Shasta is going through her second heat cycle. If it wasn't for the usual cleanup of blood droplets, it is not bad at all. I like it when she goes into heat! She is super lovie, calm, relaxed, and obedient. I also have a fixed male. He doesn't really act fixed...... I still have to keep an eye on them. I waited until 18 months with him, so I think he got a good dose of the good stuff, and he knows what he is supposed to do.

She does a LOT of cleaning, so I'm not sure about panties. It seems like it may cause more problems than it fixes.

She hangs out with me in a machine shop, so dribbles on the concrete floor or in the back yard are not a problem. I can see it being an issue with someone with white carpet and an indoor doggo. That would be a mess...
 

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Cujo2 was neutered YOUNG. I did not have him at that time. I got him back at 18 months and you could already see how not having his hormones during growth changed him. But he ACTS like an intact dog. Hepsi is in heat. She is 8 years old and has never been bred (by someone not shooting blanks). Cujo is having a LOT of fun right now, and she is just as eager as he is. Don't worry, puppies will not be created from these two.

Girls just want to have fun?
Dogs just want to have fun.
 

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Selzer, I had one of those males, too! Ranger was a mature male when I rescued him. I likely would have left him intact, if he hadn't developed a very bad case of prostatitis.

When Star came along, he didn't show much interest during her first heat. The next one....oh boy! I had to keep her crated a lot, because it is possible for the dogs to injure themselves or each other when they are tied. Heard of one very valuable GSD stud that broke the bone in his penis during sex, and eventually had to be euthanized due to complications...:crying:
 

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I spayed Katsu at 16-17 months due to brining an intact male into the household and having my husband home for the duration of her recovery before he was shipped off for 3 years overseas. I will say I originally thought having an intact female would be so difficult, but seeing that I'm almost always with her, it didn't really cause too many issues. Of course my neighbor's intact male Frenchie would squeeze through the fence to try and court her (which I would lift him up and put him back on the HIS side), but overall, that was pretty much it. She would get heat brain for a few days, but could be worked in season for the most part. I was told to wait at least 6 weeks post heat for a spay, which is a little less than what I managed before Katsu's spay.


My worry would be having both intact sexes in the same home...but crate and rotate, keeping them separate on opposite sides of the house with doors in between may make it manageable.
 

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Lucky you. 1st heat at 14 months gives you time to let her mature more before spaying. I'd wait another 4-5 months before she goes into her 2nd heat if I were you and was planning on spaying her. That would put her at 18-19 months.
 

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Selzer, I had one of those males, too! Ranger was a mature male when I rescued him. I likely would have left him intact, if he hadn't developed a very bad case of prostatitis.

When Star came along, he didn't show much interest during her first heat. The next one....oh boy! I had to keep her crated a lot, because it is possible for the dogs to injure themselves or each other when they are tied. Heard of one very valuable GSD stud that broke the bone in his penis during sex, and eventually had to be euthanized due to complications...:crying:
Well, I have had dogs get stuck in crates half in and half out trying to break out of them. I would feel bad if my dog broke his penis during sex, but I would feel even worse if I put a dog in a crate for safety and it died trying to break out to get the bitch in heat. I know, I know people with intact dogs and bitches manage to have them without anyone being injured or killed.

But, sex is natural. Dogs have sex in the wild. Wolves have sex. Otherwise there would be no dogs and no wolves. In fact, that turning so they are tail to tail when tied is a defense mechanism, where they can fight off other critters if they are disturbed while tied. So, that whole mechanism is pretty hardy. God created dogs to have sex and reproduce. So I leave Cujo2 in with Hepsi, and sometimes they go at it. I just shake my head and so far it has never been an issue.
 

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Selzer, when your dog is 13-14 years old, and can't climb steps anymore, but still wants to get it on with your in-heat female, believe me, you worry about his safety!

When he was younger, it was a different story, and I did let him have his way with Star a number of times, but I had Star spayed at 2 because she didn't pass OFA. That put an end to his fun!
 
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