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I've unfortunately waited over a month to get an appointment with a specialist, and I called literally 3 different places within a 4 hr drive of me and all had similar wait time. That was for dermatology. They might see you faster for something like this.

But I just wanted to suggest again that maybe you should consider trying to litter train her in some way to help her in maintaining any cleanliness of herself that she possibly can, so that you maybe have a better chance fixing the dirty problem once the physical problems are gone. I don't know if it is possible for you or even if other people think that's a good idea. But if it were my dog I'd be trying to set her up some way to keep herself clean if she can't hold it. A crate no bigger than body size is fine for a healthy puppy but she isn't healthy, and I think her sitting in it is going to make things worse. If it were my dog I'd put her in an in and out kennel so she could toilet herself outside 24/7 but I know that's not realistic for most people.

Someone suggested a baby pool to me for my old dog when I was trying to figure out how to deal with the fact that she had to go potty all night long, every night (due to a medical condition). I simply could not keep up with it, so I was faced with either teaching her to toilet on litter or having her sleep in an in and out run. A dog door was not an option for us for a couple of reasons and I sort of doubt it would solve your problem either.
 

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I've unfortunately waited over a month to get an appointment with a specialist, and I called literally 3 different places within a 4 hr drive of me and all had similar wait time. That was for dermatology. They might see you faster for something like this.

But I just wanted to suggest again that maybe you should consider trying to litter train her in some way to help her in maintaining any cleanliness of herself that she possibly can, so that you maybe have a better chance fixing the dirty problem once the physical problems are gone. I don't know if it is possible for you or even if other people think that's a good idea. But if it were my dog I'd be trying to set her up some way to keep herself clean if she can't hold it. A crate no bigger than body size is fine for a healthy puppy but she isn't healthy, and I think her sitting in it is going to make things worse. If it were my dog I'd put her in an in and out kennel so she could toilet herself outside 24/7 but I know that's not realistic for most people.

Someone suggested a baby pool to me for my old dog when I was trying to figure out how to deal with the fact that she had to go potty all night long, every night (due to a medical condition). I simply could not keep up with it, so I was faced with either teaching her to toilet on litter or having her sleep in an in and out run. A dog door was not an option for us for a couple of reasons and I sort of doubt it would solve your problem either.
So here's the thing. She does not (knock on wood) eliminate in her crate at night and that's around 8 hours. The last two times it was when we had her in the kitchen, out of her crate and she just started leaking all over. The time before that, it was during the day and she'd just been out. My wife was at the sink and heard dripping. Looked over and she had made a large puddle in her crate. There was no whining or signal at all. That's why I'm saying it's more like incontinence than not knowing she can't go in the house or in her crate.
 

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That is a good direction. My older dog has IBS and THK grain free fixed It. She was still scratching, so I started using only filtered water to mix her food and she’s not scratching. It’s only been three days and I noticed results.
Really?! Filtered water? Like Brita or something like that? I'm going to have to give that a try.
 

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Really?! Filtered water? Like Brita or something like that? I'm going to have to give that a try.
Yes a Brita pitcher. It works amazingly well. Before I got it, I thought if it doesn’t work for the dogs, at least we can use it. I got the idea from someone here, don’t even remember who now, so I can’t give them credit.
 

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Ok, it just happened again. She was in the kitchen with us, laying around and chewing on her kong. She had just been out to pee. She had no idea she was going so at this point, I'm saying it's definitely incontinence and not her not knowing any better. So, to the vet on Monday and hopefully we can figure this out whether it's still a UTI or bladder infection or something else. I feel like an ass because it's clearly not her fault. Wish us luck!
 

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So here's the thing. She does not (knock on wood) eliminate in her crate at night and that's around 8 hours. The last two times it was when we had her in the kitchen, out of her crate and she just started leaking all over. The time before that, it was during the day and she'd just been out. My wife was at the sink and heard dripping. Looked over and she had made a large puddle in her crate. There was no whining or signal at all. That's why I'm saying it's more like incontinence than not knowing she can't go in the house or in her crate.
I don't know, not all puppies are that great at signalling. My lab puppy's last time peeing the floor he just let it rip, he did not make any indication he just peed his puppy pants.

So if she has the urgency due to uti I could totally believe she just kind of peed her pants without really knowing it was about to happen or how to try to tell someone.

I'd just be trying to keep her as empty as possible.
 

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Ok, it just happened again. She was in the kitchen with us, laying around and chewing on her kong. She had just been out to pee. She had no idea she was going so at this point, I'm saying it's definitely incontinence and not her not knowing any better. So, to the vet on Monday and hopefully we can figure this out whether it's still a UTI or bladder infection or something else. I feel like an ass because it's clearly not her fault. Wish us luck!
Why do you say she had no idea she was going?

Hopefully it is just the uti is back and needs better treatment
 

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Why do you say she had no idea she was going?

Hopefully it is just the uti is back and needs better treatment
I'm thinking she doesn't know because she was leaking while she was lying down and then continued when she got up. No squatting, no nothing. It's like it was just leaking out of her and she was oblivious. The other thing is when she does go outside it always seems like it is a very small amount so I'm thinking something is preventing her from completely voiding. Hoping it's just a UTI too.
 

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I haven't read all the posts in detail so I'm sorry if I'm repeating something. There is a possibility from what you describe that it could be re-occuring UTI, it's pretty common and might just need a tougher anti-biotic regimen. It also might be that she could have some kind of deformity that causes the incontinence, it could be just her female anatomy is under-formed and it will get better with age, or has your vet considered that it might be an ectopic ureter(s)? That would be true incontinence (but fixable). I think re-occurring bladder infections can sometimes be a concurrent issue caused by this. However, I don't know how that would fit into addressing the pooping in crate, SIBO etc.

In my current puppy he seemed to leak a lot just randomly for no reason (I'm no stranger to potty training), I was getting slightly concerned, but actually it went away without treatment - he's almost 6 months now. My best advice would be to try not let it stress you out too much and if you can make any changes in living arrangements to where it causes the least headache. I had my husband install tile flooring downstairs so I could just forget about the blood (from heats), the mud, the puppy pee, etc. The mop is on standby 24/7!
 

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So here's the thing. She does not (knock on wood) eliminate in her crate at night and that's around 8 hours. The last two times it was when we had her in the kitchen, out of her crate and she just started leaking all over. The time before that, it was during the day and she'd just been out. My wife was at the sink and heard dripping. Looked over and she had made a large puddle in her crate. There was no whining or signal at all. That's why I'm saying it's more like incontinence than not knowing she can't go in the house or in her crate.
I'm joining this party late. But as this thread has progressed, I have leaned towards incontinence as well. I have a girl with incontinence, it started early (but not as early as your pup). In the beginning, the leaks happened during times of relaxation and happiness. She would often feel shame.
I think this may be a theory worth exploring.
 

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I'm thinking she doesn't know because she was leaking while she was lying down and then continued when she got up. No squatting, no nothing. It's like it was just leaking out of her and she was oblivious. The other thing is when she does go outside it always seems like it is a very small amount so I'm thinking something is preventing her from completely voiding. Hoping it's just a UTI too.
Hmm. Yeah, one of mine became temporarily incontinent on high doses of prednisone. It was kind of like what you describe.

One day I came home and she stood up out of the bed to come see me and there was just pee coming out of her. She walked across the room just peeing all the way across the room.

I had to keep her in diapers during that time because it was just impossible not to ruin the house. I put depends inside bitch panties and it got most of it. I also put big washable pee pads everywhere she laid down
 

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Internist. Either the local university vet school or an experienced internal medicine expert nearby. (I prefer the latter, but your choice)

Find a veterinary specialist
 

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I haven't read all the posts in detail so I'm sorry if I'm repeating something. There is a possibility from what you describe that it could be re-occuring UTI, it's pretty common and might just need a tougher anti-biotic regimen. It also might be that she could have some kind of deformity that causes the incontinence, it could be just her female anatomy is under-formed and it will get better with age, or has your vet considered that it might be an ectopic ureter(s)? That would be true incontinence (but fixable). I think re-occurring bladder infections can sometimes be a concurrent issue caused by this. However, I don't know how that would fit into addressing the pooping in crate, SIBO etc.

In my current puppy he seemed to leak a lot just randomly for no reason (I'm no stranger to potty training), I was getting slightly concerned, but actually it went away without treatment - he's almost 6 months now. My best advice would be to try not let it stress you out too much and if you can make any changes in living arrangements to where it causes the least headache. I had my husband install tile flooring downstairs so I could just forget about the blood (from heats), the mud, the puppy pee, etc. The mop is on standby 24/7!
When I take her to the vet next week I'll have a list of things we need to check for. Again, hopefully, it's just a recurrence of the UTI, but I think I have a game plan to explore further if necessary. Thank you!
 

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I'm joining this party late. But as this thread has progressed, I have leaned towards incontinence as well. I have a girl with incontinence, it started early (but not as early as your pup). In the beginning, the leaks happened during times of relaxation and happiness. She would often feel shame.
I think this may be a theory worth exploring.
Yup, relaxation and happiness. That's exactly when it's happening with her.
 

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Hmm. Yeah, one of mine became temporarily incontinent on high doses of prednisone. It was kind of like what you describe.

One day I came home and she stood up out of the bed to come see me and there was just pee coming out of her. She walked across the room just peeing all the way across the room.

I had to keep her in diapers during that time because it was just impossible not to ruin the house. I put depends inside bitch panties and it got most of it. I also put big washable pee pads everywhere she laid down
Luckily we've got vinyl plank flooring so while pee on the floor is inconvenient, it's not the end of the world. It's just hard to have her out and play when she's peeing all over!
 

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Fellow SW Ohio person chiming in! I've heard OSU is fantastic but I've never used them. I have used the Cincinnati Medvet for things I thought were out of my regular vet's capabilities and I've been happy with them. My shepherd had chronic UTI's and sometimes it's just a matter of finding out which particular antibiotic will clear it up. We always did a course of antibiotics and then retested after 2 weeks. I haven't seen this mentioned but you can also try using MalAcetic wipes on her bits after she goes potty and see if that helps. You can get them at your vet or chewy or amazon and they can be a big help.
 

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Fellow SW Ohio person chiming in! I've heard OSU is fantastic but I've never used them. I have used the Cincinnati Medvet for things I thought were out of my regular vet's capabilities and I've been happy with them. My shepherd had chronic UTI's and sometimes it's just a matter of finding out which particular antibiotic will clear it up. We always did a course of antibiotics and then retested after 2 weeks. I haven't seen this mentioned but you can also try using MalAcetic wipes on her bits after she goes potty and see if that helps. You can get them at your vet or chewy or amazon and they can be a big help.
Thank you for chiming in. We used the Dayton Medvet for one of our older dogs and weren't terribly happy with them. But, maybe we'll try the Cincinnati one. Will definitely try the wipes as well.
 

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I think it is really possible that physical issues caused a behavioral problem: dirty puppy. Meaning she couldn't help but pee and poop all the time then sit in it because of her physical problem. But she also became desensitized to sitting in her own mess and now she doesn't care.

Assuming her physical problems are legitimately resolved then you have to address the dirty problem.

Big job. I don't envy you.
I concur. It doesn't take long for a pup to get used to being dirty. It can be a bit of a challenge to get past. Be thankful it's a girl. Dirty boy pups are horrendous!
 
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