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I notice a tiny improvement already in his tartar!! Beginning with the very tips of his tooth-summits getting whiter.

I could be mistaken, but I think I already see a change in coat lenth as well as density. This is summer.. and he is getting PLUSHER.

I am positive I notice a change already in his coat pigment. Grimm's coat base color that shows through his black hairtips is usually a very pale, washed-out, dirty pale grey-buff. Now, it is starting to turn somewhere between warm mocha and sunset orange.. hard to explain. <span style="color: #CC6600">The color an oak leaf turns in the autumn-- rich, golden reddish-orange-beige</span>. Wow.. that is exactly the color LOL! Also: BIG surprise.. much more black coming in on his coat.. with glossy blue highlights! Can a coat really change so much in only a week?


Grimm is more relaxed in the house. This puzzles me. He is not ill, as far as I can see... and the kibble he was on was grain-free. He just flops and chills. Bonechewing clearly is a medatative experience for him.


Poops are tiny. I am still having trouble regulating.. either too contipated and pooping just a bit of boneshards, or watery. But sometimes I get perfect poops that are just an odd color, like orange-y. (no blood, just orange-ish colored doo-doo) ALL poops are tiny, though.

It's been a week, so I introduced a tiny bit of offal today, a piece of turkey liver the size of my thumbnail. (Lookin' at yer thumbnail now, aren't ya?
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This is supposed to be another "turkey week," to switch Grimm to raw gradually. But, my butcher has run out of turkey necks. Can I dare to begin to introduce another meat source-- use a chicken leg as RMB now? Poops are not always perfection yet, but, no horrible sick diarrhea like I expected in switching. Can I give the ground turkey as MM still.... and begin to use chix legs as the RMB?
Will disaster ensue if they are in the same meal?


Grimm LOVES the raw food!


The only negative is: He has gotten quite ribby and thin. feeding more meat could break the bank, feeding extra fats and oils can set off the runs with Grimm. Maybe it is just that turkey is such a comparatively lean meat? I plan to use chicken legs as my main RMB, instead of turkey necks.. maybe that will help in my overall meal plan for his chubbitude?


Q:Why do people caution about using heart as a MM sometimes, saying it is "richer?" I know we have covered this before, that it is a MM like any other.. is it tougher to digest, or more likely to cause loose poop?
Thanks for the info!
 

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No comment on poop colors. I know it changes sometimes depending on what's been fed. I think unless you're getting colors not found in nature that focusing on consistency is more important than color.


This is supposed to be another "turkey week," to switch Grimm to raw gradually. But, my butcher has run out of turkey necks. Can I dare to begin to introduce another meat source-- use a chicken leg as RMB now? YES

Poops are not always perfection yet, but, no horrible sick diarrhea like I expected in switching. Can I give the ground turkey as MM still.... and begin to use chix legs as the RMB? YES

Will disaster ensue if they are in the same meal? NO (mine routinely get 3-4 proteins in a single meal.)

I've had no special issues with heart meat. It's just cheap muscle meat.

I know you're wanting to do this all grain free, but if money's an issue there's no reason why you couldn't add calories (and nutrients) to the meal with something like rice, or quinoa, or even pasta--all overcooked. Unless you know for some reason that he doesn't do well on one of those.
 

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This is supposed to be another "turkey week," to switch Grimm to raw gradually. But, my butcher has run out of turkey necks. Can I dare to begin to introduce another meat source-- use a chicken leg as RMB now?
I would continue with the plan you are on and give him turkey drums or wings instead of the necks, although the switch to chicken probably wouldn't hurt anything.

Originally Posted By: BrightelfThe only negative is: He has gotten quite ribby and thin. feeding more meat could break the bank, feeding extra fats and oils can set off the runs with Grimm.
I found out like you that with my dogs they were at their fat threshold yet still needed more calories. I chose to fill those needs with cooked, mashed white potatoes.

They are a veggie, provide carbs for quick energy, are low in fat and are high in potassium and magnesium- two nutrients that their diets were lacking before potatoes. Plus they are inexpensive.

Originally Posted By: BrightelfQ:Why do people caution about using heart as a MM sometimes, saying it is "richer?"
I recall people saying organ meat was richer, but don't recall this about heart. Beef heart is a big part of my dog's diets. It is surprisingly lean, inexpensive and a good source of iron and B vitamins. Plus the dogs *love* it.
 

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You should be just fine adding chicken a week earlier than expected. Since he has already proven that turkey is fine by him you should have no problems feeding turkey and chicken at one time. Any BIG changes in the poop-o-meter and it would be the chicken (unlikely to happen). If you are comfortable with it you can add a new protein source each week. I would not add more than one just starting out though. Just keep the other stuff rotated in that he is already eatting and doing well on.

My guys LOVE heart and I have never had an issue with it. hey have had pork, beef, chicken, turkey and venny hearts.
 

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Thank you for the inout, Tracy, Natalie and Amaruq! I have turkey necks on order, but they do not come in for a few days. I will try the chix with him for now.. we are just on a few more MM meals, as he got kinda owie from pooping bits of bone and being constipated... I am still learning to regulate how much bone, how much of each TYPE of bone, he needs. In the end, I will basicly just choose chix legs or drums and stick with that as my main RMB, then ground turkey as my MM (some days beef heart, if he tolerates that well), and turkey liver is cheap for the OM.

I got some white rice.. Ulrich (DH) will boil some in a lotta wattah for Grimm tonight.


Thanks for the ideas!! I sure can't wait until we get everything all settled in the happy poops department, and in the chubbification department, too.
 

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Ris gets orange poop when she has Salmon because it bothers her system. But that's one of her quirks/issues.

It does take some time to figure out the correct raw formula for your dog since they're all individuals. And it also takes time for their body to adjust to the change in diet. I never used to be able to give Risa full meals of MM only and beef kidney used to cause runny stools no matter how little I gave her. However, with time, she has become more able to tolerate MM only meals (though not a lot of time) and can have a full serving of beef kidney with no ill effects.

There's no real exact science to some parts of raw feeding. You just sort of have to feel your way through it.
 
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