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Due to terrible circumstances I am adding another dog to our pack. My father passed away recently and my mom is going through a very tough time. She loves Dagon very much but due to difficult circumstanes and until she is a bit more stabilized, my hubby and I will take Dagon the GSD to our place. Our family decided it will be the best choice right now. I have 2 dogs currently, a westie and a shihpoo. The westie is a bit dog aggressive with certain new dogs, so we started introducing them slowly. Both the westie and the GSD are males and both are dominant. We got them to a point where they could be in the same area in the yard or house and they do not try to fight, but I do not feel comfortable leaving them unattended, since they will show signs of dominance towards eachother and I am terrified of either one getting hurt. They just don't seem to relax around eachother at all. The GSD is NOT neutered and I have a surgery scheduled in a couple of weeks. I have heard from several people that having an unaltered male dog with an altered dog will cause more unnecessary tension. Does anyone know how true this is? I wonder how much of a difference it will make in helping them get along once Dagon is neutered?
Also, I didnt mention the shihpoo. She is a sweet. happy go lucky little submissive female that just gets along with everyone and there hasnt been a problem with her at all..
Basically after all this babble, I was just curious if it makes a difference if a male dog is neutered or not when it comes to other males?
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. I have heard from several people that having an unaltered male dog with an altered dog will cause more unnecessary tension. Does anyone know how true this is? I wonder how much of a difference it will make in helping them get along once Dagon is neutered?
yes that is quite true
i do not know and cannot say how dagon will be after the neuter but i can tell you it could take up to 3 mos to see a big difference

on a different note i am so sorry to hear of the loss of your father
prayers for you and your family during this difficult time
 

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Thank you for the replies. With my mom's permission, we are definitely getting him neutered, since we have no plans to breed. Even with no guarantee in them getting along, i will do anything if it means helping them live together peacefully. I do understand temperament plays a role though. I am still hopeful the neutering will make a difference and am curious to hear some experiences.
 

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Packen is correct. I have 3 intact male gsd's and have zero aggression issues. It's about the dogs, not being intact or not. Do keep them separated. My condolences on your father's passing.
 

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Packen is correct. I have 3 intact male gsd's and have zero aggression issues. It's about the dogs, not being intact or not. Do keep them separated. My condolences on your father's passing.
Same with my experience--I have had intact males who got along perfectly, also 1 intact, 1 neutered, and 2 neutered. Actually, I have had more issues with females--they want to rule the roost, lol!

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i think it depends on the individual dogs as well as the circumstances
i have read on this very forum instances when someone took an intact male to the park only to have the neutered males attack it so yes indeed there can be a great deal of friction
i have witnessed personally conflict between intact males especially when there is a female around
 

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oh without doubt there will be more issues with girls spayed or not
but i do believe and have seen boys be more dominant when they are still intact they try to throw their weight around especially at adolescense
thing is most folks just cannot or do not want to deal with that and that is okay
this is a mature dog that leaving intact is not going to be a benefit any longer and has quite probably become a detriment
 

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Blanket statements are not typically true in the dog world. You have to understand temperaments to determine if dogs will get along. Surgery/neutering do not guarantee that 2 dogs will get along.

Also, unless you neuter around 6 months it won't do much for aggression. From what I read.

Also, we had a dominant and slightly aggressive dog at the park that was neutered at 2 for aggression and the owner said there was no change. I don't know how he was before but what I saw didn't look good.


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thank you all

Thanks for the experiences and responses. I wouldnt necessary call the GSD aggressive. He has never shown any aggression towards people or animals. But he has gives my westie this fearless stare when Alfie is being a brat. My westie is the one that is aggressive and once Dagon sees Alfie growling and barking, he responds with his own barking. Also once Alfie settles down and goes and does his own thing, Dagon will just go up to him and follow him around staring at him... it makes Alfie uncomfortable and I can just feel the tension between them, and I can see alfie about to snap.. thats when I break them up and distract them with something else. There has not been an official fight yet but I thnk its because we havent allowed it to happen. They are not living together yet. These were only 2 times that we have allowed them to interact for several hours. I get very nervous and Im sure thats not helping the situation.

Also, thank you for the condolensces. It has been a difficult time for my family. Dagon was my dads beloved dog, and Dagon misses him terribly. He goes around looking for him constantly. There is no way this dog is going anywhere so we are determined to make it work somehow.
 

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I think it all depends on the dogs involved. I think you're making the best decision by neutering.
I have a five year old neutered male GSD. He is very submissive and dog "neutral." He has never had issues with other dogs. When he was three, I got another male GSD. He was eight weeks old. I separated the two for about six months, allowing only visual contact. I then let them interact. Now, the "puppy" is almost two years old. Intact male. The two have not had any problems. I can leave them alone without supervision.
Like I said, it all depends on the dogs involved; sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
 

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dagon sounds as if he is challenging the westie
be careful with this because he may want to take top spot in the house
and yes i honestly believe neutering will help with this to an extent
dagon may gradually feel less inclined to challenge the westies position

how old are each of the dogs?
 

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I have two intact males and two spayed females. We went through a few heat cycles before the one was spayed though, and our upstairs neighbor had an intact breeding bitch for 2 years so there was a lot of hormones going on for a while. I have zero issues. I will never leave my boys unattended with each other as each does want to be the dominant one but under supervision they know the rules and are fine with each other.
When I was a child we had westies and gsds. We babysat an intact male gsd for a while and our intact westie was horrible. The GSD put up with him for a few days then had enough and ripped open his head, the westie was alright but needed an emergency vet visit and stitches/drain in his head. Brought him home from the vet and he was right back at the gsd. They are tenacious and don't know that they are little so I strongly recommend not leaving them unsupervised and to be right on top of any bad behaviour before it escalates.
 

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A truly dominant dog isnt' going to start a fight for his position, he will finish it but he won't start. Which sounds like what's going on here. Your westie is also upset because it's his house and who is this dude. Altering them will slow down the posturing a bit.

LOL yeah the bitches are bitches. I like mine one at a time!
 

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Only one dog household here. But in public - my experience when Rusty was intact is that neutered males did not care for him. In training class the only dogs that would lunge & want to remove him for the planet were neutered males. There was never any contact, owners got control. Once at the vets office a Golden tried to go after him. The owner said he only does it with intact males. She was very apologetic, again no contact was made. But that dog in particular really peeved Rusty off.
 

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Well the dogs have been together in the same house for about a week now. All is well and all are still alive and in one piece. They are only together while supervised. Dagon the GSD has even been trying to play with Alfie. He does a little bow thing and runs off, Alfie chasing him and barking. Dagon is definitely playing, Alfie is half enjoying it... I think. So, I think they are doing well so far. Tomorrow Dagon is getting neutered, and I hope this will improve their relationship even more. They nap close to each other which makes me think they are getting quite comfortable. :) The problem is when I get home and the dogs get excited, you can see the tension there and there is some growling and barking from Alfie. I try to ignore both of them to discourage their behavior until they calm down. Anyway, I'm stressing about the neutering tomorrow, hoping all will turn out well. Wish us luck!
 
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