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yea i know i said i wouldnt come back to this site, well here i am. anyway we just got back from training today and we stayed after for a bit working on restraints. well let me fill u in first. these women work at the vet tyson goes to, he is not good with restaint, i've never worked on it with him so ill take the blame for that one.

here is one thing that pushed me the wrong way, one of the women has a GSD. its an over sized gsd, the same age as tyson but 65 pounds, tyson is 50 (tyson is 4 months old). she tried to tell me that he wasnt the age i said he was..
because of his size and bone structure, and the fact he still has all his puppy teeth..on top of that they were pretty much pushing me to neuter bc she "nueters and spays all her dogs and haveing an un nuetered dog in the house could be like haveing a loaded weopon." keep in mind tho that my trainer is not a big fan of shepherds, not that she doesnt have any knowledge of them, she's just not a fan because of how they have been bread, even tho i dont agree with her on these things i do respect her as our trainer. ok i feel better now
 

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My obedience trainer was pushing me to get my puppy spayed as well during one of our classes. I just say politely that it'll get done. They just don't need to know when.
 

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Couple of questions -- what type of restraint are you talking about? Tethering or leash? For how long and in what conditions? We are talking about a 4 month old puppy correct?

And I would really rethink using a trainer that in even an indirect way says you are a liar and also doesn't approve of your breed.

Wow a loaded weapon huh? Glad I didn't know that as I lay sleeping with three of them in my house. And to think I alowed them near my grandbabies.
 

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I have never mentioned this before, but please edit your comments.

I know you were on a different post, but not knlowing your background with dogs, it is difficult to render an opionion regarding the trainer, except to say in my personal experience most are highly over rated.
 

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What type of restraint????

If you are uncomfortable with the trainer, run, go find a different trainer.

Ignore the other Shep owner or nicely tell her to take care of her dog and you will take care of Tyson.
 

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Originally Posted By: ILGHAUSCouple of questions -- what type of restraint are you talking about? Tethering or leash? For how long and in what conditions? We are talking about a 4 month old puppy correct?

And I would really rethink using a trainer that in even an indirect way says you are a liar and also doesn't approve of your breed.

Wow a loaded weapon huh? Glad I didn't know that as I lay sleeping with three of them in my house. And to think I alowed them near my grandbabies.
heres an example: when we go to the vet, he squirms and tries to get away from the dr. these women work at the same vet and wanted to help me work with him so that he isnt such a pain in the a** when they go to be examined, vaccinate, check ups etc etc. t

the loaded weopon, "liar" comments came from the other "helper" woman with the "large shepherd." she seems to think that he is small, and not his appropriate maturity for the age i said he was. he is right at the breed standard so far for his age..wtf? her pup is the same age and 65 pounds, 25 pounds heavier than the breed standard for that age. i think i should print a page off of the breed standard for weight and height to show her lol then maybe she will keep her comments to herself
 

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hum my GSD is 50-55 lbs and full grown...Unless I'm lying about the age. lol I like her smaller size.
 

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first of all, its nice to see you back. i knew you couldnt stay away, (GRIN).
tell teh trainer helper that you are greatful for her input on his size but you are very happy with the size of him and so is he. tell her that you may not be a professional GSD handler but you have done enough research to know that his size is nothing to worry about and that hers is just over grown. if she pushes it, you can be a bit of a (you fill in the blank) and say, more under your breath than anything 'AT LEAST HE ISNT ON STEROIDS' she probably isnt giving him but hey, if she want s to be like that you can too.

as to the one with the hate on against gsd tell them point blank that at least you have a real dog and that he is a pup and has to get use to vets. most adults dont like drs and most adult animals and small animals dont like vets. print off the breed standard and give it too them. as to the loaden weapon. Wow, and to think i sleep in a house with one and dont wear a flap jacket. maybe i should have a complete suit made for my granddaughter since she is around so many 'weapons;
 

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Originally Posted By: bearlasmom Wow, and to think i sleep in a house with one and dont wear a flap jacket.
Don't you mean a flak jacket? I think flap jacket is something you might wear when making pancakes?


Hello lch2, glad to see you're sticking with it. Something else to think about- since these two seem to have a certain "attitude" toward tyson, is it possible that their presence at the vet has an effect on tyson's behaviour-it could be they are not the best choice to be working with "restraints" with tyson. Don't think that he is not perceptive to the negative attitude. Consider that and watch him closely when they're around-not so much for the visible reaction, but for the subtle messages that he may be sending out.

Have you tried taking tyson down to the vet's for a casual visit without the examinations. You could try that for a period of time to see if he eases up.
 

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Originally Posted By: Everett54

Have you tried taking tyson down to the vet's for a casual visit without the examinations. You could try that for a period of time to see if he eases up.
hmm..thats a good idea, heck i could do it right now, i would like to get an exact weight on him anyway. standing on the scale with and then without him is gettin kinda harder


o and i need to fix this...he is 20 weeks old so by that he is 5 months, by the calender he is 4.5 months
 

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print out from the akc website the standard size for male GSD's and mail it to the vet office labeled
Attn: (the name of the oversizedGSD owning neuter pushing person)
 

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Originally Posted By: 1211meekaprint out from the akc website the standard size for male GSD's and mail it to the vet office labeled
Attn: (the name of the oversizedGSD owning neuter pushing person)
 

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Honestly, I'd be looking for a new trainer AND a new vet. Life is just too difficult already without letting people like this mess with us. And our dogs.

There are plenty of fine trainers. And unlike Chuck, I've had a few extremely good ones. I've encountered two terrible ones and one sorta lousy one, but two superior trainers that have made my life so much better, and two quite good ones that have helped as well. There is no rule that says you should stick with a bad trainer. I've dropped out of classes. And not returned after private lessons. I'm a fixture at one particular facility because all of the trainers there are good, open-minded, don't have weird preconceptions about certain breeds, and are willing to work with every client individually. It takes a while to find gems like this. I highly recommend that you keep searching...

There are veterinary gems like this out there too. Vets who know that their staff matter as much as they do, because they're the ones owners actually interact with most of the time. And the vets insist that their staff remain professional, open-minded and respectful. Keep searching.

For yours and Tyson's sakes.
 

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When I see an overweight, large puppy, I have to think to myself, what are they feeding the dog, Alpo?

When you think about it, the dog IS probably on steroids. Steroids once removed, as the meat in the food is probably loaded with stuff to make the cows, chickens, whatever grow really big really fast.

Then too, the food is probably loaded with molassis (corn) which is sweet and encourages dogs to eat way too much.

But do not feel bad. Know that she is probably picking up four times the poo you are.

As for trainers, I think there are some very good ones out there. Mine has leonbergers and a GSD right now, though they have done other breeds of dogs as well. So she is not afraid of the GSD just because it is a GSD. That makes a big difference.

A trainer that has such an archaic view about neutering (loaded weapon???), is probably not as up to date on canine issues like health, behavior, as I would like. She is probably not as involved in dog shows and performance shows either. I see an awful lot of intact dogs of all breeds when I go to shows and the vast majority of them are not "loaded weapons."

Something to think about.

I do not like this whole thing about restraints. I know that people often use a restraining technique with dominant dogs to show them who is the alpha. I do not like that approach at all. I think that a better idea (you dog is not too old to start this) is to go to the vets much more often. And step up other socialization as well. Use this puppy time, when the dog is unlikely to be nasty, to have people run their hands over him and pet him. PetsMart generally has a bath sale for puppies up through five months, for $10. My puppies are taken several times because I know that the more positive experiences they have, the easier it will be later on.

I go nearly every weekend to our vet's office, and if I do not have an appointment, I go in weigh one or two dogs (one at a time) and let the vet techs approach and offer treats. So far, I haven't had any problem with my pups not holding still for the vet.

Good luck.
 

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An intact male IS a loaded weapon... if you happens to be a female in heat
Otherwise only thing I'll be concerned of that weapon are yellow markings in a white couch.

My 5,5 months female is 30,8 pounds. Two days ago I took her to the vet for her rabbies vaccine and he was kind of surprised of her small size, but since she's healthy and in perfect body condition all he could say was "Oh, she's little"
 

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Tyson and Lucy are almost exactly the same age. She's also a "within specs" dog, kept on the thin side for her joints. She's 43 pounds.
You should get support from trainer and vet. Sorry you're not.
 
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