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Well as all of you know we have decided to keep ace and work on his training. So i need all the help i can get.

We just got back from a walk (just him) and pepperoni treats. He did so wonderful, he was a total different dog. He walked great in his harness, anytime he wanted to start baring at something i just called his name and kept his mind off of it. We are teaching sit everytime we stop at a crosswalk. He has that one down pat (when we don't have the other dogs). The only time he got uncontrobally out of hand was a 1/2 block away from home. THere is a golden in a fenced yard that barks and runs the fence anytime it sees or hears anything. Well we decided to take ace to the road that way he wasn't right next to the fence, didn't work i could not get his attention, my hubby literally had to basically drag him down the road. So obviously that one needs more work. But as far as today goes he did real good...I am one proud mama.

Now qusetion. Should i be concerned that he is not walking right by my side, or should i allow him the slack so he can smell and what not?
Also when do you think i could start introducing the other dogs. I have 1 more shepherd, and a female dachshund. Oh and my other shepherd always wants to be out in front and he will whine none stop if he isn't, should i allow him to be out front?
 

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Originally Posted By: amd1Now qusetion. Should i be concerned that he is not walking right by my side, or should i allow him the slack so he can smell and what not?
Personally I would train him to be at your side; that's what I do with my boys. Of course a walk has to be a little fun and you have to let him be a dog so every so often allow him to 'sniff the flowers' but you decide when he wants to.

Riggs is notorious for try to go sniff something with a sudden jerk on the leash but I alway bring him back right away. Its my way of saying "I'll let you know when you can sniff something"


We actually just finished a 45 minute walk individually (1.5 hours for me
) and they did real well. I would turn frequently and do circles; this makes them stay back to see where I will go next instead of them being ahead not paying attention.
 

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Smells are fine, but dragging him down the road is not good. Try a small pronged collar, tight and high upon the neck.
 

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When I'm going on a 'walk' I don't keep my dogs at an official 'heeling by my side' position. Walking should be fun and relaxing for BOTH of us, for me to have a rigid exact position by my side isn't adding to either of our good times.

Sniffing and smelling are normal dog things and a 'calming signal' they can use to relax if allowed. http://www.canis.no/rugaas/

Key for helping our over-reactive dogs is to try to get and keep their attention BEFORE they react. Cause, as you and your husband noticed, it's alot harder afterwards.

Have you thought of using a head halter for your dogs. Works great in your situation to turn the dogs head back towards you (where you can reward) and away from whatever is bothering them. Puts you more in the picture to train, not something to be fought against and pulled against.

Think most people like the Gentle Leader (click here) a really good description on how it works and why is http://www.aopclick.com/GL_head_collar.htm

 

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One thing with the head halter is you should know that you cannot correct the dog harshly. Be gentle when you re-direct him. The neck loop should be right behind the ears, it will produce a calming effect when pressure is placed there. The soft-touch sensations harness http://www.softouchconcepts.com/ is a front clip so will direct the dog back to you when pull, just make sure it is fitted correctly and do not leave it on the dog, only for walks.
off topic~I just met a sweet 8 month old golden who had a harness on, sooo tight and the owner who was a bit mentally challenged, didn't realize his pup had gotten bigger. I helped him loosen it and I hope he continues to do so.
 

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Originally Posted By: MaggieRoseLeeWalking should be fun and relaxing for BOTH of us, for me to have a rigid exact position by my side isn't adding to either of our good times.
Doesn't sound like the OP is having a fun and relaxing time. Until she can properly train the dog to walk the way she wants I would work on having the dog by my side. The better he gets the more sniffing is allowed.

Eventually she should be able to walk him 'freely' (on leash) and have no problems bringing him back to the side when the situation warrants it.
 

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I walk both of my dogs at my sides. They're not allowed to stop/smell/potty as they please. I don't keep them in a "head at the leg" heel either, but they have to walk calmly next to me. I give 'em a foot or so of breathing room...so to speak. I like that it's time spent out in the world with the dogs looking to me to decide where to go, when to stop, etc etc. Pack leader walks in front!


One issue I had with the head halter...I did try a Gentle Leader with Marshall. It works WONDERFULLY with it on. Your dog will be calm and walk nicely by your side. However, when you take it off and try walking, it goes right back to where it was before in my experience. Plus the dog may not like it much (Marshall hated his, and I introduced it very slowly and positively). In my experience they don't like the strap over top of their nose...my experience is fairly limited with head collars...but my dog didn't like it at least. I haven't tried it again since.

I switched to a prong (how old is Ace by the way?) and that worked much better to help teach proper leash behavior (along with sit/stays, leave its, etc etc). Now it's 50/50 when I use the prong and no training collar at all. He behaves well either way.

I don't think that not allowing the dog to do whatever he wants on the walk makes it any less fun for him either. Starts and stops, changes of pace, stops to practice training, sitting for crosswalks and at busy street corners (which it already sounds like you're doing) make it fun for them. It teaches them to pay attention to you and use up some mental energy too...which makes the walk all the more effective.
 

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Well it sounds like we are doing everything you guys are saying. I know with my ryder i used just a regular choke collar, but he always stayed by my side, and if he went wandering i just pulled a little and he came back. Now with ace we use a harness as it is easier to control him, just not when he is freaking out. I may look into the prong collar.

Oh Ace is 7 months old.

We are afraind with the head halters that it may in turn actually hurt ace, just by the way he reacts to another dog barking. SO i think we will leave that one out. But thanks for all the replys and keep them coming.

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okay ace has been doing great with his training, however i have to admit we have not been out in like 2 or three days because it decided to rain, get cold and snow. But now we are back to nice weather and i plan to take him out.

New questions, can i use hot dogs as a training treat? I don't really have anything else right now that will keep his attention.

Another question, my sons girl/friend was here the other day and ace just loved her. However, as Kayla was walking down my hallway Ace decided it was the prfect time to nip her butt and keep nipping. Now i have noticed that he has done this to me a couple of times. I don't really want him doing this, What can i do. He doesn't do it alot just every now and again.
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Also when someone comes in and sits down on the couch how do i keep ace calm, everytime he comes in the house he is always so hyper. He gets my other shepherd going and they start running around, ace will bite and chew on ryders back legs. I really need him to chill in the house. Usually when they get real rambunctious i make them take it outside. But then they get out there and either bark or eat grap. YUCK So any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Hotdogs are fine, or when I was working on leash training with Anna she LOVED cheese...not the best thing nutritional wise, but it worked!

The nipping--redirect! I know it's hard to carry a toy with you at all times, but try this. Or teaching him "no bite" then using that command when he nips. Also, doing the "leave in a huff ignoring him" thing should work.

Use treats to calm him, work on the "focus/watch me" command. Or have a yummy filled kong or squirrel dude waiting for him to immediately occupy his mind and tastebuds!
 

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well none of this is working out at all. We haven't been able to get out in i don't know how long. My daughter just had her tonsils out yesterday, and so she has been a handful and i still can't take him out. My daughter, hubby and i layed down yesterday afternoon after we got back from her surgery and took a three hour nap, nothing new we let the dogs run the house, I woke up to ace had chewed up my rug in front of the door. I was so freakin mad. He is constantly into everything, outside i had to keep getting onto him for eating his own poo. That i am really tired of. I just can't get him to calm down. I have no time to even think about training him, i am off this week due to the surgery but that doesn;t give me any time to really train him. My hubby is to tired to do anything by the time he gets home. He won't leave my little dog alone. I am sorry for the rant. I am just really seriously considering finding him a new home again, someone with loads of attention to give him. I just don't feel like i am being fair to him at all.
 

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not to be harsh but you aren't being fair to him, I think your best solution IS to find a home where he'll get the training and attention he needs NOW vs later since he still a very young dog.

Good luck to Ace
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I know. Your not being harsh at all, and i appreciate your honesty. I now i am not being fair to him, but i thought i could do it that is why we decided to keep him and work with him but it just isn't working that way at all. We love him to pieces but he needs more, tons more, he is a very active and highly motivated boy.
 

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How about trying doggie daycare maybe twice a week? that would really wear him out..and joining an obedience class,,this would give YOU a night out as well :))

Also I would not be using a harness on him,,my trainer always says (when she discusses collars),,a harness is for pulling, fine for small dogs but not big ones..

Energetic dogs with no outlet are going to find things to do, which most likely aren't appropriate things to do as your finding out..

Good luck in your decision..
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see thats the problem, we don't have anything like that around here. I did try contacting a trainer when we first got him and she never got ahold of me. She is the best around here. The closest thing we have to trainig otherwise is petsmart an hour away. I can't get away to do that. As far as doggy daycare, never even heard of one anywhere around here. Plus I dont haave the money to pay for that.
 

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andrea, I'd try the dog trainer again, and keep pestering her until she get's back to you..you may be glad you did and be able to keep Ace as well..
 
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