[GSDolch]

No, you are obviously not understanding what i am saying or don't care what your dog or cat does.

Try again, your dog goes out into the field and chases a deer or perhaps pulls down a fawn. Now try here - Is that ok?

Your cat goes into your yard and kills a robin. Is that ok?

I am not talking about a legitament hunting situation!

I am talking about a dog or cat chasing, harassing or killing wild animals just because they feel like doing it and for no good reason other than they have never been taught not to.

If you cannot see what is wrong with that, then you don't and nothing I or anyone else can say will let you understand.

Just for the heck of it, how would you feel if your GSD who is chasing and killing the semi tame raccoon was jumped on by two of it's relatives and killed or perhaps shot by an irate raccoon lover while he was chasing the animal through the woods?

But enough of this topic - no one is going to change their mind!

Again, you are going with the assumption that the dogs are running willy nilly, and again, are using fear mongering. If raccoons ganged up on my dog (unlikely) then that would be natural. If someone shoots my dog then it would be on my property not because the dogs were running loose.

Regardless of how you feel, what one lets their dog do on their property is their business, not yours. My terrier wouldn't think twice about killing a rabbit on our property because that is what his breed was bred to do. One might be able to control it, but that never, ever goes away and if I am on my yard, he is on my yard I am not going to think much if he goes after something that comes into our yard. More than likely they will run away and most animals are smart enough not to come back around after a few times. (ok those pesky squirrels though, they are a pain and I wouldn't think twice to shoot them myself)


If you cannot see what is wrong with that, then you don't and nothing I or anyone else can say will let you understand.

The very same thing can be said for you

But enough of this topic - no one is going to change their mind!

This I do agree with and will agree to disagree

 

[codmaster]

Last thought - if your terrier were chasing a rabbit ON YOUR PROPERTY and a coyote grabbed him and killed him and ate him, you would not be upset because he is just doing what is natural for him; and your terrier was out in nature, right?

Not that I would like a dog to be killed just because he was running a wild animal because it is his nature, of course.

You are correct, I am not about to change my mind that pet dogs and cats should not be allowed to choose themselves to chase and kill wild animals.

 

[JeanKBBMMMAAN]

I think codmaster, what you are trying to say is just because a dog WANTS to do something doesn't mean they should be allowed to by their owner?

So if I am out in the yard with my dog and a squirrel comes in, I am going to call my dog off the squirrel. And they should respond. Because my dogs would also love, maybe, to chase children, or people with canes, or whatever, and if I call them off _______________________ (fill in the blank) they had better come back. Regardless of breed - so my Schip mix dropped a rabbit, even though they are vermin hunters. Because I said so.

I think that's what you are saying? If so, I agree!

 

[Dainerra]

pretty much yes. would I shoot the coyote? yes, because I have livestock and don't want coyotes killing them as well. I also wouldn't be upset at my neighbor if they shot my dog because they saw him chasing deer on their property. Why? because I know that it's a possibility and it's my job to make sure he isn't roaming free.

then again, Rayden isn't alone out in the yard at night, so unless the coyote is roaming and comes in the dog door.... Or attacks in broad daylight a few hundred feet from a human.. both of which are signs that the coyote isn't right anyway

ETA: before I get jumped on by anyone, this is not to say that I wouldn't be completely devastated is something happened to my dog. But, I do know that certain activities can get him shot. Just going onto a neighbor's property is enough for some people to shoot your dog, so I don't let him.

 

[Dainerra]

I think codmaster, what you are trying to say is just because a dog WANTS to do something doesn't mean they should be allowed to by their owner?

So if I am out in the yard with my dog and a squirrel comes in, I am going to call my dog off the squirrel. And they should respond. Because my dogs would also love, maybe, to chase children, or people with canes, or whatever, and if I call them off _______________________ (fill in the blank) they had better come back. Regardless of breed - so my Schip mix dropped a rabbit, even though they are vermin hunters. Because I said so.

I think that's what you are saying? If so, I agree!

I agree with that as well. I can call my dog off of anything that he is chasing. However, I don't see anything wrong with allowing him to do it from time to time.
None of us who are arguing let our dogs roam willy-nilly, going on wild killing sprees. We are talking about the occasional bunny or squirrel that happens to get caught in the dog's own yard.
Codmaster's argument has seemed slanted towards you being at fault because your Schip-mix caught the rabbit in the first place.

 

[codmaster]

Of course there will be accidents when our dog or cat will get a chance to attack small or big wildlife, but you are right. What i am saying is that we should train and manage to prevent it as much as we can.

And that we should not be as hypercritical as some folks are in letting our dogs or cats run after and kill wildlife and then getting totally upset if their pet happens to become a victim of a bigger stronger specimen while out hunting.

 

[Dainerra]

And that we should not be as hypercritical as some folks are in letting our dogs or cats run after and kill wildlife and then getting totally upset if their pet happens to become a victim of a bigger stronger specimen while out hunting.

but no one has said that??? and no one has said that they let their dogs do as they please, only that sometimes they aren't there to prevent it. And that sometimes they release the dog and let them chase something?

 

[codmaster]

but no one has said that??? and no one has said that they let their dogs do as they please, only that sometimes they aren't there to prevent it. And that sometimes they release the dog and let them chase something?

How would someone interpret this:
"Regardless of how you feel, what one lets their dog do on their property is their business, not yours. My terrier wouldn't think twice about killing a rabbit on our property because that is what his breed was bred to do. One might be able to control it, but that never, ever goes away and if I am on my yard, he is on my yard I am not going to think much if he goes after something that comes into our yard."

I interpreted it as indicating they DO let their dog run loose on their property and let them act as they want to and kill whatever they feel like.

Maybe I misjudged the speakers words?????

 

[JazzNScout]

Ewwww. As for errant cats, I had a cat killer GSD, wanted in the State of Maryland (kidding). A neighbor kept allowing her cats to roam. They were a PITA - one in particular would purposely, like clockwork, taunt the daylights out of my dogs. I warned the woman that I had a cat-killer in my yard, and that I really didn't want to be dealing with the aftermath of what could happen, as I'm sure she didn't want to lose her pet. She kind of snickered, acting like her cat would beat up my GSDs.
Her cat stopped coming around after I began setting traps and she had to bail one of her others out of the slammer a couple times.
I figured if the obnoxious one came in the yard and Jasmine got it, I would take a shovel and fling the carcass into her yard. She had been warned.
It's illegal to shoot a cat, btw.

 

[Dainerra]

they are allowing it on their property, which to me means that they stop it when they are somewhere else. Therefore, they ARE able to control it.


ETA: I think the difference is that we who allow it say "It's ok on my property" while you think it is NEVER ok. I don't see a problem with my dog chasing prey. I don't let him do it anywhere but at home. He isn't even always allowed to do it here; if I say "leave it" he does.
I don't let him jump on people, but I do let him jump on me from time to time. Does that mean he is untrained and thinks that it's ok? No, he only does it if I give him the signal that he can.

 

[GSDolch]

Why wouldn't I let my dog run loose on my property if I am able to? Should I keep him on leash all the time? Really? Is that what you are suggesting? If I am on one end of they yard, dog on the other, you think I can just become Flash and get over there?

If he gets something I go take it away, tell him to leave it and go "eww gross nasty" and go about my day like nothing happened. I have plenty of respect for animals, but I don't disillusion myself in thinking they aren't going to act like animals.

 

[Zoeys mom]

I think the point is if we are out with our dogs they should respond to leave it no matter where we are or what they want to investigate. However, when we aren't around and they are loose in the yard all that training goes out the door if the dog has prey drive and really wants to catch that bunny. I don't allow it on my watch, but I'm not dumb enough to believe it won't happen when I'm not looking either

 

[Biagia]

New Rescue GSD

I've just recently adopted a GSD about 5 years old, Addie. She seams very sweet and a bit timid. Fine with my 2 year old male GSD.
I have cats which she seems interested, curious in. I have not seen any aggression with the cats yet and I am teaching her the "leave it" command. Since the cats are use to dogs they don't seem to be apprehensive about Addie. Should I be concerned about the two of them together? I do not leave her unsupervised with the cats. But how would I know if this interest in the cats could be a prelude to wanting to kill?

 

[PaddyD]

You added this to an old post. You need to start a new thread under the Behavior topic.

 

[pkhoury]

Not sure if anyone is monitoring this forum still, but I heard that dogs' stomachs are pretty resilient and accustomed to eating wild prey. Is this about right? I actually WANT Aero to catch a squirrel or rabbit (he came so close yesterday, but didn't quite run fast enough).

 

[codmaster]

Might want to make sure that your dog, if allowed to chase wild animals, doesn't try chasing the wrong animal and end up getting hurt or killed himself.

 

[pkhoury]

Such as possums? I'm worried about them biting Aero, but they don't seem too bright.

 

[Cassidy's Mom]

I actually WANT Aero to catch a squirrel or rabbit.....

Why?

 

[Chicagocanine]

..............

 

[codmaster]

Such as possums? I'm worried about them biting Aero, but they don't seem too bright.

Maybe you will get lucky and your poor dog will tangle with a big raccoon or maybe a woodchuck. Count on a very fast expensive trip to your vet.


Or maybe even run across another big dog out "hunting"!