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LOL. I may be making way too big of a deal out of this. I was throwing his ball across the yard into the wooded lot as I always do. All of a sudden I hear a huge ruckus and out he comes as fast as he can with a 75lb doe hot on his heels. These small whitetail around here are not aggressive like a mule deer. We assumed she was protecting her fawn.

My question is this. He is almost 11 months old and doesn't act scared of anything and has shown a good amount of protection drive. Why was he afraid of a little doe? Shouldn't he have fought back if the deer attacked him? He didn't even bring his ball back. Is it that he is young? Is this part of the slow to mature part?

As I said it may be no big deal. I just have a problem with my supposed to be big bad male DDR/Czech "fight til death" buddy turning tail and running in fear from a deer.
 

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Did he go back in afterwards to get his ball? If not then yeah your dog might be a wuss

On the bright side you don't have to worry about him chasing deer.
 

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has he ever encountered deer before?? Maybe something new ..

I have a herd of deer that are here every day, behind my fenced in yard (husband feeds them)..my czech/ddr girl doesn't chase them, she is so used to them being around, along with turkeys,woodchucks, squirrels, rabbits IN the yard, she doesn't even bother with them..I don't consider her a wuss because she leaves them alone, but I don't think she'd back off from one that challenged her either..Not saying your boy is a wuss at all, he's young, mine is 6 years old and has basically grown up with the wildlife here, plus I have chickens she hangs with..

I wouldn't worry about it, you don't want him chasing deer anyhow, here a dog can be shot for running wildlife.
 

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LOL, yes, at 11 months, he is just a baby, and not ready to take on a defensive/protective role.

Czech/DDR dogs mature notoriously slow. So he won't be an adult until he is 3 or 4 years old. Maybe he will be a more cautious type of dog, or he may be a different dog, with nerves of steel - give him time to grow up.

As an example, I do IPO/protection training with 1/2 Czech dog. Evem at 16 months of age, the trainer and I could see that he had a lot of potential inside, but he was still a somewhat unsure pup. Too much pressure in training, and he 'tuned out' - I let him mature at his own pace, and didn't put him to test again until he was 3 years old - very different results! No worries about his mental strenghts (not that I had any to start with). :)
 

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A startle reflex is instinctive, just like when a human jumps if someone pops a balloon behind the head most times. It's how fast they bounce back that really shows their nerves, but even then there are certain weaknesses that may or may not be overcome. Your dog may be the complete opposite if the same scenario happens tonight, or he may be leery around deer for the rest of his life. Either way, it's part of who he is for better or worse

I've never seen Delgado scared of anything, but last week we had a major thunderstorm and while both dogs were outside there was a loud BOOM that literally shook the house and scared the bejeebus out of me. Both dogs hightailed it back into the house in a flash, but two seconds later Delgado was back at the door wanting to go back outside again. Just because they are startled doesn't mean they are weak nerved. This is the same dog that sat through a Canada Day fireworks show at 5 months old and ended up dozing through part of it! The noise caught him offguard, that's all

BTW - Delgado is DDR/Czech/WG working line
 

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He sees them every day. They are everywhere. No, he did not act timid afterwards. He went back and got his ball. He starts to chase them but he calls back easily. Immediately after that episode he saw others and alerted and went towards them until I called him back.
 

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He sees them every day. They are everywhere. No, he did not act timid afterwards. He went back and got his ball. He starts to chase them but he calls back easily. Immediately after that episode he saw others and alerted and went towards them until I called him back.
Then you have nothing to worry about in that regard IMO :)
 

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My dog would go after the deer every time he would see or hear them, many times way before I could. Thank god he had a bullet proof recall, otherwise I'd be worried to get him back...
 

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Ha, I'd want my dogs to be used to deer and not be startled by them, but I'd prefer they not choose to tangle. Deer can have wicked sharp hooves, and you also have to contend with antlers on the bucks which can get downright aggressive in rutting season. I'd rather avoid the vet bills. :rolleyes:
 

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Live in a wonderfull meadow with daily dee2r roaming and grazing. They usually travel(does) together. I sat on my back porch and watched them gang up on and run off a bobcat. My youngest(dog) just sat and watched also. They also run off coyotes.
 

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I wouldn't be upset by him running from an attacking deer. Deer can cause some damage when they want to. The deer is fighting for survival. I wouldn't want my dog to take on any wild animal unless it was for survival of myself and the dog. I would rather they run back to me as yours did to you.

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I think it was a smart move on your dogs part. Have you ever seen the damage a deer does to a car? They are not small animals and if she was protecting her young, then she meant business. Good thing here is that hd might have just learned a lesson and not chase any deer, a very good thing.
 

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My opinion of your dog's response is "smart boy" LOL. Getting in between any mother and her young can be very dangerous, and I'm sure your 11 month old could tell the doe was dead serious about her intent. Live to fight another day... I have a 11 month old half DDR boy who is just a big goofy lug right now; at that age they still have a ton of mental and physical maturing to do. I wouldn't have an issue if my boy responded the same way; I'd take him back to the area and play fetch the ball like crazy to make another positive association there.
 

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I may have told this story before, but here goes.

Friend was out on a search with his GSD. Came across a baby deer bundled deep in grass. Dog attacked baby deer. Before handler could get a word out, Momma deer came out of nowhere and slammed into dog, sending him flying!!! Dog never looked at another fawn again!!! And we come across them a lot on Wilderness searches.

Momma deer are deadly to dogs. I see no reason a dog if any age should pick a fight for no reason. Your dog showed appropriate response. Would you want him to challenge a momma bear???? No. Chose to fight another day. Unless said momma bear was attacking you. Then hopefully he would stick around.


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a mother protecting her young is an entirely different item than a run of the mill every day deer
i think the hormones are entirely different and they will kill another animal if they can so your dog was wise and like others said probably saved you a big vet bill or even worse having to dig a grave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEZOmgInmj0 for example...
 
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