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I have read a lot about this and the advice I've received varies wildly, from my trainer watching our 2 together and saying they're fine to start leaving alone uncrated to people on this board saying NEVER do it, it will end in a blood bath.

Crating would be fine, except one of our dogs has SA that is mostly better, but is exacerbated by being in a crate. Since we've brought home Osa 2 weeks ago, they've been alone for 1-7 hours crated together. We audio record each time we leave. Regen still has about 3-5 minutes of whining and trying to get out of the crate each time. Osa cries on and off once she finishes her Kong for about 30 minutes, and then both dogs are quiet the rest of the time. However, they both are pretty anxious when we get home.
When we leave Regen uncrated and crate Osa, she cries even more.

We are trying to figure out what to do that will be best for them. We need to be able to leave them alone 4 days a week for about 8 hours a day, and we can't afford for Regen's SA to get worse again, as daycare isn't a financial option on one teacher salary anymore.

Regen and Osa have not showed any genuine aggression since the first morning they were home together, and that was a horrible combination of the dogs next door yapping, both dogs having upset tummies, and my husband and I bungling the interaction. Since then, they have played, cuddled, shared toys, and ignored each other. They have had snarky interactions when Regen wants to play and Osa doesn't, but they stop at Osa saying "leave me alone" and Regen going off to play with a toy instead.They do play fight and play chase, but after having several more experienced GSD people observe, they said that it is pure play and not aggression.

So...how did you make the call about leaving dogs uncrated together? Or are there solutions we aren't thinking of? We had set up an extra tall baby gate to gate off the mud room, but both dogs can jump it. **** agility classes!:blush:
 

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I've left my two females uncrated for about 3 years with no problems. They do get along, but now and then Onyx will show dominance to Kacie. If Kacie challenges her, then there will be a fight, but so far I've diffused it. When I'm not around I don't think they behave that way.
I added a male puppy Karlo to the mix almost two years ago. He was crated til he was about 7 months and then he was also left out with them when they are all alone. He is intact, they are both spayed.

We have had only one time where an indoor potted plant was dug up. Other than that, no problems.
Adding him to the dynamics(uncrated) was a worry, but the females are fine with him and they all play quite well together(other than Onyx tries to herd Kacie constantly when they are outside) When we are gone, they usually just sleep anyway.

I still have a crate set up and one of the dogs will rush to it when I leave, not sure how long the winner stays in it, but it is kind of funny that the crate is still a place to rest.

Try some short alone times and build up to test them, maybe set up a camera when you first start doing it. The separation anxiety would be my main concern.
 

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We leave Jax and Banshee out but can not leave Jax and Sierra out together. If I only had a dog for a few weeks, I wouldn't leave them out together alone yet. Maybe loose in different rooms but not together yet.
 

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I agree with Jane's advice.

It's also hard to say in your situation, since you have now two adult dogs, and have only had Osa for two weeks. I 'think" I would probably still give them both some more crate time when unsupervised because just 'because' of the short period of time you've had her.

I , on the other hand, have had all my dogs from puppies. My gsd's and female aussie were always allowed free roam of the house when I'm gone (well once they got a little older:) right now I'm down to the two girls, Masi (gsd) and Jynx (aussie) and Jag, male aussie. The girls have free reign of the house. Jag will never have free reign of the house with any other dog because he's a 'crap' stirrer and also has displaced aggression if a "bug" flew thru the room, so unsupervised never, and always crated when no one is here.

I like the short period of time with a camera set up idea:)
 

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I'm from the UK and there is much less of a crate culture here and I would say that it is mostly the norm to leave family dogs together uncrated. I left my 2 entire male GSD's together alone for 15 years without any problems. And currently leave my 2 males together now with the run of the house (2 years and 14 months)

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I never leave same sex dogs loose together. I have Slider & Faith loose in their bedroom while Brusier is in his crate. Mac. who has serious SA, has the run of the rest of the house.
 

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When we brought Cash home from the shelter, he submitted to Rocky immediately and was submissive to him always thereafter. As big and rambunctious and playful as he was, he was always sweet with Rocky and deferred to him. Therefore I had no problems leaving them uncrated together and there were never any problems. I think you just have to take the individual dogs and their relationship and make a judgement call on it. As a matter of policy I never leave foster dogs uncrated.
 

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We've got Jazzi, who is a five year old Lab, and Killian, who is a 6 month old GSD. Killian is crated when we leave, mainly because of his chewing habits, and Jazzi stays out. Jazzi has proven herself to protect the house so I know that what were doing now, works for us. They can play rough from time to time, but if I would leave, I'd never worry about them getting into it with each other.
 

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As I'm a foster home, I get new dogs in all the time and have to deal this all the time. You have only had the new adult dog for a couple of weeks which is not enough time for the two dogs to have completely adjusted to living together or the new dog to adjust to her new home.

I would spend a lot of time walking them together and spending calm time at home with them loose together. I would not leave the new dog uncrated yet as it's just too early.

If they are good now, I would start leaving the new dog loose at night first to see how they do. After a month or so, which is usually a good amount of time for them to settle down, I would start trying to leave them home alone loose for short periods of time and then increase it with success.
 

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When I leave Keeta (about six or seven years old), and Gryffon (22 months old) for the day, they are free in the house, but just to be sure, I keep them apart with baby gates. Keeta is the older, dominant one, and Gryff defers to her appropriately. They get along very well, and I have no worries. I often leave them together loose for a few hours at a time, but not when I'm gone all day, just as a safety precaution. There is always the possibility, that as Gryff matures, he will not always want to defer to Keeta, and will challenge her. Keeta will not take kindly to being challenged by her "little" brother and will try to put him in his place. May never happen, but you never know.

Because Gryff is an expert jumper too, I use two baby gates, one on top of the other, like this:


This has worked great so far.
 

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i only have one dog now but in the past i've had 2 dogs
and they where fine in the house not crated. you have to
teach them how to behave in the house when not crated.
learning how to behave when not crated is part of house training/breaking.
 

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Personally - I would not leave two females uncrated together without a barrier substantial enough that I know one or the other couldn't get through. They could have their own rooms, or however you would work that out. But together...not something I could see coming out higher on the benefit side than the risk side. And a pack of dogs - 3 or more - never.

Here is my other concern - with females in particular - if one of my dogs starts to vomit, or get out of line, my GSD Bella will ready herself to put them in their place - stop them, whatever it is she's doing it usually results in her hopping on them. They know I am here and will stop this, but if they were alone...

Your one dog is nervous/anxious and if the new girl decides at some point that, being a female GSD, she should probably correct this, you could have an issue.

I have multiple dogs and only one is out when I leave, if any. When I come home I know if anyone has had a problem and it's a lot easier than playing guess the dookie if someone has diarrhea. :)
 

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Ive never had any problems with dogs fighting while we were gone but one solution would be to put one in a separate room with a door, such as a bedroom if that is available. I am not a huge fan of crating a dog who doesn't like the crate because of a bad experience we had with our Alaskan husky, who hated the crate, freaked out when we left, and got out while we were gone ( its the kind of crate that the front pulls in to fold up, and she pushed it out somehow and got out.) There was quite a big of blood on mt GSD when we got home, so we thought they got in a fight. Turns out it was the husky's blood, but she only had one little cut on her jaw, a few broken nails, and a few missing puppy teeth. I cleaned her little cut and thought nothing of it again, except that we shouldn't put her in the crate anymore. A few weeks to a month later we noticed a lump on her jaw, where the cut was. It continued to get larger, within 2 days we had her to the vet. They said it was a bone cyst and it essentially ate away a huge chunk of her jaw. It was almost completely through her jaw. So she had emergency surgery, and luckily it healed quickly. I don't think I will ever leave a dog in a crate again unless he or she likes it. Im not 100% clear on whether it was caused by the trauma to the jaw, or if it was caused by bacteria that got in. Either way it was that injury that did it.
 

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I would spend a lot of time walking them together and spending calm time at home with them loose together. I would not leave the new dog uncrated yet as it's just too early.
Thanks for all of the advice/shared experiences so far! I forgot to say, for the first 11 days that we had them, they had daily 2 hour hikes together, the 2nd week they were both off leash for the hikes. Since week two they've been uncrated in the house when we are home without incident, but they sleep in our room crated at night. We've left Osa and Regen separately at home uncrated and Osa did fine. Regen is always uncrated when we have to leave her normally.

I hate SA...would be nice to have dogs that would be content to spend 8 hours sleeping in a crate without a major meltdown!

I like the video idea too- I think we'll try that tomorrow.
 

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Because Gryff is an expert jumper too, I use two baby gates, one on top of the other, like this:


This has worked great so far.
I just want to say that you have a GORGEOUS dog!:wub: He is beyond stunning!

On topic, my dogs are three years apart and I had them both as puppies so I knew them inside and out. I started leaving the second dog uncrated when I was home including at night so both dogs were usually free except when I left the house...and even then, just the second dog was crated. My dogs never had any issues with each other. I just started leaving them alone for an hour here and there and it was never an issue. The rest is history. I expect them to get along and they do. Although, I must say, they both have compatible personalities and neither showed any aggression towards the other. I had no signs that would have prevented me from leaving them alone. They are now eight and five and still are the best of friends...and they are both males to boot!
 

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Personally I think it's stupid to leave two dogs (of any breed and/or sex) together in a house unattended. Too many things can go wrong even if you think your dogs will never get into a fight it can happen.

My two would probably be fine alone in the house unattended, but I don't chance it because if Molly pissed Dodger off enough she'd be toast if he decided to take her out. He may be an angel when I'm home, but who knows what he'd be like when I'm not home to supervise.

If you must leave them alone together because one doesn't like to be crated separate them with baby gates.
 

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It definitely depends on your dogs. We have 10 dogs, all purebred of various breeds, & we now keep our 3 elderly pugs separate in another room when we are not home. We have witnessed some prey activity on them from our younger dogs - our oldest dog is 12 years old, & when he slips or takes a mis-step due to his arthritis, the others are WAY TOO INTERESTED. We keep close track of our pack, & when we are not home, we safeguard our older guys!
 

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Personally I think it's stupid to leave two dogs (of any breed and/or sex) together in a house unattended. Too many things can go wrong even if you think your dogs will never get into a fight it can happen.
With all due respect, it depends on the dogs.

My two would probably be fine alone in the house unattended, but I don't chance it because if Molly pissed Dodger off enough she'd be toast if he decided to take her out. He may be an angel when I'm home, but who knows what he'd be like when I'm not home to supervise.
See, I don't have a dog who would turn the other dog into toast. Therefore, my dogs would be fine. I've had both since they were puppies and neither of my dogs are alpha. Neither wants the position. They are both laid back and non-confrontational.

I think it's different if you don't know the dogs/didn't raise the dogs or have dogs with issues...be it dominance or whatever. My dogs don't fight over bones, treats, don't get jealous of the other getting affection, if one gets off the couch, the other gets on. They don't fight over status and they are both neutered males.

I'm hardly stupid for leaving them alone given their natures, personalities, temperaments, and training.
 
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