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Long time stalker, first time poster. I have been researching German Shepherds for months now and have few questions as start to look for breeders that match my specific needs.

Thank you all in advance for your answers and input. Please correct any naive statements or false assumptions I am making.

Location. I am located in Nor Cal, but I am willing to travel up to Washington and down to SoCal.

Background: I have owned Labs in the past and have greatly enjoyed training and obedience, but I have never participated in formal sports. I am an outdoorsy and active individual and would like to go running and hiking with my dog. I would also like to get into some dog sports, but since I have never been involved before, I am not sure how much I will progress.

Labs are great dogs, but is drawing me to GSDs are their loyalty, nerves, and attention.

What I am Looking For: This is where I am a bit confused as to whether a working line or a show line would be more appropriate for my needs.

(1) First and foremost, this dog will need to be a companion. I loved cuddling with my labs, and I am a bit afraid that I would lose that level of emotional connection with a GSD - especially as WGWL (PLEASE correct me if I am wrong). The dog would be getting plenty of exercise and stimulation, but would probably spend a great majority of the weekdays indoors, so would need an "on/off" switch. Weekends, of course, would be spent out doors.


(2) Temperament. I am looking for a dog that would have strong nerves, affection, trainability, obedience, and medium prey drive. I would like to explore sports, but wouldn't be the end of the world if that didn't work out. Would rather have an affectionate, solid dog, with an "off" switch than an excellent sporting dog that was always "on" and never wanted to settle down for the day. This is mainly where I am confused as to whether a working line or show line would be more appropriate.
 

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Long time stalker, first time poster. I have been researching German Shepherds for months now and have few questions as start to look for breeders that match my specific needs.

Thank you all in advance for your answers and input. Please correct any naive statements or false assumptions I am making.

Location. I am located in Nor Cal, but I am willing to travel up to Washington and down to SoCal.

Background: I have owned Labs in the past and have greatly enjoyed training and obedience, but I have never participated in formal sports. I am an outdoorsy and active individual and would like to go running and hiking with my dog. I would also like to get into some dog sports, but since I have never been involved before, I am not sure how much I will progress.

I would start looking at sports and groups now to see what you might be interested in.

Labs are great dogs, but is drawing me to GSDs are their loyalty, nerves, and attention.

What I am Looking For: This is where I am a bit confused as to whether a working line or a show line would be more appropriate for my needs.

(1) First and foremost, this dog will need to be a companion. I loved cuddling with my labs, and I am a bit afraid that I would lose that level of emotional connection with a GSD - especially as WGWL (PLEASE correct me if I am wrong). The dog would be getting plenty of exercise and stimulation, but would probably spend a great majority of the weekdays indoors, so would need an "on/off" switch. Weekends, of course, would be spent out doors.

So wrong! The key is finding a good breeder who focuses on balance. My dogs are WL's and are just as content cuddling on the couch and watching tv as they are working. As long as you give them some mental and physical stimulation they are good.


(2) Temperament. I am looking for a dog that would have strong nerves, affection, trainability, obedience, and medium prey drive. I would like to explore sports, but wouldn't be the end of the world if that didn't work out. Would rather have an affectionate, solid dog, with an "off" switch than an excellent sporting dog that was always "on" and never wanted to settle down for the day. This is mainly where I am confused as to whether a working line or show line would be more appropriate.

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Thanks Ausdland, would you say that the breeders that you note in your post produce dogs that are "balanced" in the way that mycobraracr described above?
 

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I will second vom Patiala and Ajay Singh and, yes, he does produce a nice balanced dog. He doesn't breed very often, though. He doesn't seem to have a regular website anymore.

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Not sure if they have a litter ready but you may want to call Adlerhimmel in Nor Cal. I have been impressed with the dogs I have seen and worked with from them.
 

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Thanks Ausdland, would you say that the breeders that you note in your post produce dogs that are "balanced" in the way that mycobraracr described above?
The breeders I mentioned breed very good gsd's. I'm unfamiliar with ALL of their dogs. My pup is high drive but is starting to chill out at 11 months. She's been a total handful but well worth it. I was referred to Chris Clay by Randy Witmer-Tyson, who seems to only want to sell puppies to working owners. As mentioned, Ajay Singh doesn't breed often but is a great resource for good quality GSD's, WL and SL. Steve Strom probably can recommend other local breeders. I don't know who mycobraracr is. She could have great puppies? I'd find out how prevelant Giardia is on a property/kennel in the Valley. I had a bad experience with a breeder/puppy from the Valley. I'd talk to many local breeders before going to see any puppies. Once you see them, it's hard to leave w/o one.
 

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Have you found a breeder? I am also looking for the same thing. I am now leaning on the working line but also need it primarily as a loyal pet for my family.
Vom Danau ries will maybe have some on a few months. - Knows of a 2 year old now.
Ajay only knew of a 4 month old in Redding.

Let me know if youve had any luck
 

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Ventiamericano:

Love your name, hehe

I'm in Nor Cal as well, but farther up north than you are. What you described as far as your lifestyle and desires from a dog match mine pretty closely.

I researched a lot of breeders in the Nor Cal area. I ultimately went with Nadelhaus (previously in Chico, CA but just moved to Corning, CA). Tracy Needles is the owner and has been breeding GSDs for over 20 years. She breeds a very consistent type of dog and has litters all year round. My pup is 17 weeks old and is healthy and so far has a great temperament and energy level. She is also darn good looking, IMHO :) Additionally, I've called Tracy with questions a few times since bringing my pup home and she has been a helpful resource. She breeds west german show line shepherds.

I would also recommend looking into Vom Haus Middleton Shepherds out of Redding/Palo Cedro. Diana Hawkins is the breeder and I know she has a pregnancy waiting to be confirmed in August, for her gorgeous half show/half working dam Dakota, and the Sire is Aladin from Bobbi King's kennel in Galt - he's studded out a LOT of litters in CA and is a great dog, absolutely gorgeous. This is a repeat breeding and she has pics of the previous pups she can show you. I didn't use her only because I wanted a Dakota/Aladin pup but they didn't get any girls.

And speaking of Bobbi King, you can try contacting her too - she's a very reputable breeder and in fact bred the dog that was used in the movie I Am Legend - I just decided to go with Nadelhaus because they were closer and Bobbi doesn't have a website to view her dogs and upcoming litters and such.

Hope that helps!
 

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Ventiamericano:

Love your name, hehe

I'm in Nor Cal as well, but farther up north than you are. What you described as far as your lifestyle and desires from a dog match mine pretty closely.

I researched a lot of breeders in the Nor Cal area. I ultimately went with Nadelhaus (previously in Chico, CA but just moved to Corning, CA). Tracy Needles is the owner and has been breeding GSDs for over 20 years. She breeds a very consistent type of dog and has litters all year round. My pup is 17 weeks old and is healthy and so far has a great temperament and energy level. She is also darn good looking, IMHO :) Additionally, I've called Tracy with questions a few times since bringing my pup home and she has been a helpful resource. She breeds west german show line shepherds.

I would also recommend looking into Vom Haus Middleton Shepherds out of Redding/Palo Cedro. Diana Hawkins is the breeder and I know she has a pregnancy waiting to be confirmed in August, for her gorgeous half show/half working dam Dakota, and the Sire is Aladin from Bobbi King's kennel in Galt - he's studded out a LOT of litters in CA and is a great dog, absolutely gorgeous. This is a repeat breeding and she has pics of the previous pups she can show you. I didn't use her only because I wanted a Dakota/Aladin pup but they didn't get any girls.

And speaking of Bobbi King, you can try contacting her too - she's a very reputable breeder and in fact bred the dog that was used in the movie I Am Legend - I just decided to go with Nadelhaus because they were closer and Bobbi doesn't have a website to view her dogs and upcoming litters and such.

Hope that helps!
I was looking at the working lines and showlines.
Nadelhaus: Any allergies with your dog? I have west german showline and she tends to have dry skin all year long..

I like the idea of the working and show in VHM breeder...just looking for more information. Price seems reasonable.
I will attach the pedigrees and see what people think
Thanks

BTW I knew someone with the I am legend dog's offspring..said she could be jumpy at times
 

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so is this good (Nadelhaus) She breeds a very consistent type of dog and has litters all year round

seems like there are a lot of females .
Consistency was a plus for me as I wanted to know within reason what to expect in terms of appearance and temperament from my new pup.

She has a huge ranch with many dogs who seemed quite happy there.
 

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I was looking at the working lines and showlines.
Nadelhaus: Any allergies with your dog? I have west german showline and she tends to have dry skin all year long..

I like the idea of the working and show in VHM breeder...just looking for more information. Price seems reasonable.
I will attach the pedigrees and see what people think
Thanks

BTW I knew someone with the I am legend dog's offspring..said she could be jumpy at times

I am not aware of any allergies for my dog at this time.
 

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I hope you realize there is a big difference between working line and show line. If you are an outdoorsy kind of guy you might want to focus more on working line.
 

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I hope you realize there is a big difference between working line and show line. If you are an outdoorsy kind of guy you might want to focus more on working line.
I can be both...Ive owned showlines before and they keep me busy...I can run in the mornings with it or walk...my wife will do the same in the evening.
She works 9-5
I work 3-9 So we need a dog that can be with us at all times. We can do lots of obedience work with the dog but cannot be so high a drive where it needs to be herding, policing or just super active all the time. It will need to crate a couple hours a day while my wife gets home.
I basically need to take it everywhere with us and be with us..i need a buddy.
both lines seem to be able to do that.
Also want a realy really really friendly dog. but each one is different
 

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"I basically need to take it everywhere with us and be with us..i need a buddy.
both lines seem to be able to do that.
Also want a realy really really friendly dog. but each one is different


what do you mean by friendly ?

be careful that you understand the correct nature of the GSD which is to be aloof --- stable , sound, tolerant , neutral, neither hostile , or friendly seeking attention , nor shy. Reserved, calm, an aire of control and being able to control.

discriminating . Loving loyalty reserved for the family .
 
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