[Sarah'sSita]

Here is the dam
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/5/519049.html

here is the sire
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/5/519145.html
Sable is a fulltime herding dog-on a farm.
Amigo van den Mausen was a SWAT police dog and detector dog

This breeding may be in late 2009

 

[suden]

I can tell you all about Nash,Wyman and Ambush Nash is here-got him back thru his owners divorce-Wy lives with a friend of mine in DE(over 11 years old now). Ambush is no longer with us-long story.

Vikki

 

[Sarah'sSita]

So what can you tell me? I know they are good herding lines, biddable and conformational good for working. What else?

 

[suden]

Ambush was great at Herding-just too much for the AKC type-needed C Course. She was also very Bitch aggressive-trained thru Open-but I never trialed her. Very drivey-biddable-loved to work.
Wyman-Ball Nut-do anything for a Ball or Food. Very social-good looking Blk/red. He was neutered due to Prostate Problems.
Nash-Big blk/red boy was left to his own devices too long-has a problem listening to commands(that will change) Fine with Females-not with other males His sister Jeff is a Personal Protection Dog that will bite for real. The only reason we sold her she went into pyo and we spayed her. Nash has a civil side but is very friendly when he is not working.
All of the dogs are OFA'd-Ambush/Wyman were Thyroid tetsted too.
Nash is a Blue carrier.

 

[mikaK9]

What would you be looking to do with the pup? More AKC/herding type activities?

 

[Sarah'sSita]

Schutzhund like my current dog (from the same breeder) , Maybe AKC OB, tracking. A versatile dog. I won't consider a pup until Nandi is about 5 or SchH3

 

[mikaK9]

I've been involved in SchH for a while, but still just learning this pedigree stuff.....but it looks like more than a few recent dogs in the pedigree haven't been involved in schutzhund or shown that they could be involved or even titled in anything. With all the kennels out there producing good working line dogs for schutzhund/police, why go with bloodlines that have dogs without proven titles? Nothing wrong if you do....I'm just trying to learn more about this stuff too and usually see that the most successful schutzhund dogs have pedigrees where all the dogs have been titled in schutzhund or police. Just curious.

 

[Sarah'sSita]

My current dog is from her kennel and he is doing great in SchH although mom is not titled in schH, but in AKC stuff. There is comfort in the familiar. I may go with a completely breeder, totally based on the pedigree. I agree that having Sch H titled parents is important to assessing traits for the GSD. But there's more to it than just a schutzhund title. I could go for a sport dog with extreme drives, but that kind of dog may not be the best fit for me. Plus highly titled parents does not have any guarantees for a schutzhund dog! The breeder lives 350 miles-one way from nearest SchH club and probably not allow anyone other than herself to train to those titles, She has litters temperament tested using police/sar tests from a former canine handler and trains her own dogs in Obedience , tracking, agility, herding. Those working titles also can be measured to assessed a dog's biddability, work ethic and drive. Nandi's full brother is a k9 for Denver (Celhaus Lord Cazze). Many of her pups are working and fulltime SAR dogs. Both dam and sire have agility titles. SHe tests hips,elbows, thyroid, eyes, cardiac, and von Willebrands, so the health record of her breeding stock stacks the genetic deck for health issues. Health is usually MY first priority. Both Sire and Dam are working toward titles in agility, obedience, tracking. The dam is not yet OFA'ed as she is too young and only prelims are done.(breeding planned late 2009)

 

[cliffson1]

Sarah,
With the information you provided and the knowledge you conveyed on the dogs background and health testing, you don't have to justify the breeding of these dogs to anybody except maybe the uninformed. Anybody that knows anything about the breed can see that you have done your homework....good Luck!

 

[Sarah'sSita]

Yeah, kinda answered my own question! But I just wanted any additional perspective on some of the dogs back in their pedigrees. That is all.

 

[mikaK9]

Sounds like the dog and breeder are perfect fits for you then

Doesn't sound like you have much doubt - have fun when the new pup comes

 

[Sarah'sSita]

I am not not necessarily going for this particular breeding and breeder. I am weighing all the options . Yes I want to do Schutzhund first, yes I would like to see all in the pedigree titled in SchH as that is a test for breed worthiness. However, that is a good discussion for a different thread.
ANy other insights to the pedigree would be good.