[JeanKBBMMMAAN]

If anyone has been in this health section in the past three days you can see that I am threadjacking and posting my way through my research to try to limit Nina's pyoderma. It is uncomfortable for her, and I think if I put the money into the front end, the back end will resolve more quickly so MUCH better for her and for less cost-which has to be a factor (the Baytril killed me-but I am going to get it for $90 less if I need to get more, through KV).

I am leaning toward a lamb food. She seems not to like rice-whether that is a preference or because it makes her feel bad I do not know. This problem started last year (common older sudden onset) while she was on a Bison food, and had been on Lamb just prior-who knows if that was a factor in any way. I don't know if food will fix it, but I am hoping it will help it. I think Nina will be the only one on this new food-I am not sure about that yet.

SO I found a few foods with lamb and not so much rice. Any thoughts on what you see below?

1.
http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/product_detail.asp?pf%5Fid=20155803&dept%5Fid=1&brand%5Fid=963
Nature's Logic Natural Lamb Dinner Fare Canine Formula

Some interesting ingredients...not happy with the chicken but seems almost unavoidable:

Quote:INGREDIENTS: Lamb Meal, Millet, Chicken Fat, Montmorillonite, Brewer's Yeast, Flaxseed, Dried Egg Product, Spray Dried Chicken Liver, Pumpkin Seed, Animal Plasma, Kelp, Natural Flavoring, Cottage Cheese, Suncured Alfalfa Meal, Egg Shell Meal, Avocado, Chicory Root, Tomato Powder, Almonds, Spray Dried Cod Liver Oil, Apple Powder, Blueberry Powder, Apricot Powder, Carrot Powder, Pumpkin Powder, Cranberry Powder, Broccoli Powder, Spinach Powder, Parsley, Artichoke, Rosemary, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Casei Fermentation Product, Dried Bifidobacterium Bifidium Fermentation Product, Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Bacillus Coagulans Fermentation Product, Dried Pineapple Extract, Dried Aspergillus Niger Fermentation Extract, Dried Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Extract, Dried Trichoderma Longibrachtium Fermentation Extract, Mixed Tocopherols.

http://www.natureslogic.com/# (also some interesting health info there)

2.
http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/product_detail.asp?pf%5Fid=20140107&dept%5Fid=1&brand%5Fid=618
Nature's Variety Canine Lamb & Oatmeal Dry Dog Food

Ahh-has rice...

Quote:Lamb Meal, Oatmeal, Brown Rice, Barley, Canola Oil (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Menhaden Fish Meal, D-calcium Phosphate, Ground Flaxseeds, Montmorillonite Clay, Natural Lamb Flavor, Alfalfa Meal, Potassium Chloride, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Sea Salt, Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Sodium Selenite), Lamb Liver, Inulin, Flaxseed Oil, Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Apples, Carrots, Peas, Freeze Dried Lamb, Freeze Dried Lamb Hearts, Freeze Dried Lamb Liver, Pumpkinseeds, Ground Lamb Bone, Butternut Squash, Broccoli, Lettuce, Spinach, Dried Kelp, Salmon Oil, Apple Cider Vinegar, Parsley, Honey, Blueberries, Alfalfa Sprouts, Persimmons, Olive Oil, Duck Eggs, Pheasant Eggs, Quail Eggs, Sage, Clove, Rosemary Extract.

http://www.naturesvariety.com

3.
http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/product_detail.asp?pf%5Fid=2012312&dept%5Fid=1&brand%5Fid=913
Wellness Super5Mix Complete Health Lamb, Barley and Salmon Meal Formula Dry Dog Food

Quote:Lamb, Menhaden Fish Meal, Oatmeal, Ground Barley, Ground Brown Rice, Rye Flour, Tomato Pomace, Canola Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a natural source of Vitamin E), Salmon Meal, Rice Bran, Tomatoes, Ground Millet, Natural Lamb Flavor, Ground Flaxseed, Carrots, Spinach, Sweet Potatoes, Apples, Blueberries, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Potassium Chloride, Minerals [Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Proteinate, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite], Vitamins [Beta-Carotene, Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Vitamin A Supplement, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B-12 Supplement], Choline Chloride, Taurine, Mixed Tocopherols (a natural preservative), Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Chondroitin Sulfate, Chicory Root Extract, Garlic, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Green Tea Extract, Dried Lactobacillus plantarum, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation products.

http://www.wellnesspetfood.com

I also looked at Timberwolf and that formula, known as Lamb and Barley-has rice as the second ingredient, but still looks decent? But if I am trying to limit rice (and I am not even sure I need to) it doesn't make much sense-though the other dogs did great on it-and I think it's one of their better "new"

formulations.
http://timberwolforganics.com/s.nl/it.A/id.77/.f?sc=2&category=-102

Thanks for any input. I am going to take pictures of her sores today-I'll PM anyone who wants to see them (just trying to help people understand all these frantic posts)!

 

[IsisUnselke]

Hi,
I just sent you a pm that had a link to Natural Balance's new Lamb and Rice Allergy forumla..that was before I read this posting about how Nina can't have rice! oops sorry

http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/allergy/LambDog.html

But...I did find this product made by Natura (Innova/ Evo people) it is lamb based, has no rice, but does have chicken.
http://www.healthwisepetfood.com/products/default.asp?id=546

I'll keep looking!

 

[JeanKBBMMMAAN]

Awww! Thanks! I am adding that Natura to my list! THANK YOU!

I am not even sure about the rice. I just know when she's been on a bland diet, she spit it out, and I switched to taters.

 

[DSudd]

Can you do the Natural Balance? They have Sweet Potatoes and Fish, Sweet Potatoes and Venison, and one with Duck. None of them have Rice.

 

[JenM66]

Canidae has a lamb formula but I don't know if it has rice. Regardless --- best of luck. Having just tried to change Gracie's food and upset her ears so badly, I feel for you! Sure, send me the pictures via PM. Working at a vet, I always like to be aware of things to be more informed at work.

ETA -- just googled Canidae lamb....and got lamb and rice so ignore the Canidae comment and go straight to the good health wishes!!

 

[IsisUnselke]

I don't know if you are strictly looking for a dry lamb based dog food..but I found this!
http://www.canz.com/countrypet/dogfood.html

They sell this at my local health food store..I might just have to try it for my dog!

 

[JeanKBBMMMAAN]

Oh wow-adding it all to my list to look into. It can't hurt to look at everything.

Jen-I haven't gotten the pics off the camera, but will PM you last summer's to give you an idea...Blah! Thanks.

 

[roxy84]

seems the wellness super5 mix may not have too much rice as it is listed 5th on the ingredient list, lower than on some of the lamb and rice mixes.

 

[JeanKBBMMMAAN]

Yes-I was looking at that. I haven't had them try a Wellness product in a long time-might be something different!

Anyone have any thoughts on #1 with the plasma...not just that...in general...

 

[Caja's Mom]

Jean, Let me know what you find. I have been thinking about switching Errow from Eagle Pack Lamb to something different. His output is very high. Timberwolf came up and Taste of the Wild in my searching. I would like to stay away from Beef and turkey and almost all of the grain free formulas have turkey in it. My cats are eating Wellness Core and doing awesome on it.

 

[JeanKBBMMMAAN]

Hey Trish! I am kind of leaning toward that Nature's Logic but their website kind of freaks me out-it reminds me of that Wysong site a little. Like extreme-and I don't know enough to evaluate to know if their extremeness is good or bad.

Here's another one: http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/dogformulas/LambDog.html

The grain frees almost all have chicken too-which I try to stay away from!

 

[Caja's Mom]

Chicken is okay for me, Caja is eating the NV chicken Instinct. She is down to about a cup and a quarter twice a day. Will start to mix in some of the Turkey and Duck in soon. I also use a lot of chicken to track with. Natural Balance seems to have a ton of rice in it. Between the Brown Rice, Ground White Rice, Rice Bran, it's way to much. I think it's the rice in the Eagle Pack that makes his poops more often then the other dogs. I would like to find a food that my friend can get in her petstore, it makes everyones life easier that way and cheaper.

 

[Caja's Mom]

Did you see this site? http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/