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I've noticed as my boy is getting older he is more interested in marking on walks. When we are in public or pavement he will not mark but if he passes by a tree or bush he becomes interested. All of the males i've ever owned were neutered early, this is my first that will be left intact. Up until now i've let him stop and sniff and mark when he wants to, because walks are his time and i'm not in a hurry. I walk him to exercise his body and brain and it seems like smelling and marking is part of that? He has never tried to mark indoors, or pet smart or any of those places but he does seem to be getting obsessive outdoors for example we went to his nose class last night and before class started the dogs in the class were outside playing together. He completely ignored the other dogs trying to play with him and just went off on his own to mark the entire time. A border collie was stalking him and play bowing like crazy but he wanted nothing to do with the dog. Which I am fine with, if he doesn't want to be social that is okay. Not like he was being aggressive or anything. I'm worried about this translating into indoors since he is so obsessed, I used to work for the SPCA and a vet so I was always told neuter young so they don't mark indoors! How much of that is even true? Is this even something I should be concerned about lol? To let him mark on walks or not?
 

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I mean they are not allowed to mark when ON leash. Off leash is OK. By the time Griff is ready for this he will have learned "Leave It!" if he attempts to mark something that is off limits, even off leash
 

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On leash - No. I release them to "potty" a few times throughout the walk. It's a structured training walk, so they have different expectations.

When they are off leash, that is they're time to be dogs. Sniff, pee, run, play with sticks etc. The rules are no running off, come when you're called, down at a distance when you're told (we practice this often), no unwarranted aggression and no chasing wildlife (My dogs don't really acknowledge wildlife at all).

I have 4 intact males - none mark indoors. Marking is a training issue ;)
 

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I mean they are not allowed to mark when ON leash. Off leash is OK. By the time Griff is ready for this he will have learned "Leave It!" if he attempts to mark something that is off limits, even off leash
How come you don't let him mark say a tree or grass on leash? Sorry I'm especially curious since I know you prefer to keep dogs intact and have a lot of experience with intact dogs, does it lead to behavioral problems down the road? My neutered dogs never learned the behavior so I'm unsure of how to deal with it. Is it a personal preference kind of thing? I decided to keep Gandalf in tact for now because of the hormonal risks of neutering young and cancer..I could see it being annoying if youre in a hurry but for my dog I alott 2 on leash walks per day an hour each and I'm not in a hurry so I figure if that's what he wants to do with his time.... I haven't seen behavioral issues (yet?) he gets his off leash time of course and enjoys marking then too..
 

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On leash - No. I release them to "potty" a few times throughout the walk. It's a structured training walk, so they have different expectations.

When they are off leash, that is they're time to be dogs. Sniff, pee, run, play with sticks etc. The rules are no running off, come when you're called, down at a distance when you're told (we practice this often), no unwarranted aggression and no chasing wildlife (My dogs don't really acknowledge wildlife at all).

I have 4 intact males - none mark indoors. Marking is a training issue ;)
So all of your on leash walks are training? Never just for fun?
 

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I have no problems with my boy marking on a walk as long as it isn't every tree or inappropriate. An occasional marking is natural imho, and as long as our walk isn't being interrupted by constant stops, I recognize it is his walk too. He is allowed to urinate while trailing as well, but again, not constant stops. One or two is expected and as long as he stays focused on his subject and finishes the trail well I'm not worried. My girl marks as well and both are very well trained
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Zero marking in the house or in stores etc..
 

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On leash - No. I release them to "potty" a few times throughout the walk. It's a structured training walk, so they have different expectations.

When they are off leash, that is they're time to be dogs. Sniff, pee, run, play with sticks etc. The rules are no running off, come when you're called, down at a distance when you're told (we practice this often), no unwarranted aggression and no chasing wildlife (My dogs don't really acknowledge wildlife at all).

I have 4 intact males - none mark indoors. Marking is a training issue ;)
Why is marking a training issue? He doesn't do it indoors, in stores, on sidewalk, etc. just on trees and grass. What's the problem with it? This is what I'm confused about lol
 

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I have no problems with my boy marking on a walk as long as it isn't every tree or inappropriate. An occasional marking is natural imho, and as long as our walk isn't being interrupted by constant stops, I recognize it is his walk too. He is allowed to urinate while trailing as well, but again, not constant stops. One or two is expected and as long as he stays focused on his subject and finishes the trail well I'm not worried. My girl marks as well and both are very well trained
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Zero marking in the house or in stores etc..
And your boy is intact too? Wow you just blew my mind, never had a girl dog I thought that was just male behavior!
 

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znd they don't mark or critter when they are , in their adult life real-world working dog lives.

marking and over marking creates distraction, tension and frustration with the male dogs.

secndly it is disrespecful to everybody else who has to enjoy that environment .

would you like it if you were sitting in an outdoor cafe and a dog came and lifted its leg
at the corner of the wrought iron decorative enclosure - missing you by inches
 

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also -- NEVER

znd they don't mark or critter when they are , in their adult life real-world working dog lives.

marking and over marking creates distraction, tension and frustration with the male dogs.

secndly it is disrespecful to everybody else who has to enjoy that environment .

would you like it if you were sitting in an outdoor cafe and a dog came and lifted its leg
at the corner of the wrought iron decorative enclosure - missing you by inches
This is interesting and good info, I plan on getting a female but just curious do you find males would get frustrated by not being allowed to mark? or do they eventually stop trying and stop caring about it after enough corrections?
 

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For about 14 years we had two intact male Whippets living happily together. None ever marked in the house, stores, in tents etc. My other ones didn't either. Sometimes they tried to sneak in a pee on leash but then they got a "Leave It" (verbally only) while me pulling them away.
I figure if they can hold their pee for an entire night or day, holding it on a leashed walk is not an issue. IMO marking is a signal to the (dog)world "I was here and you better notice it!". That would be actually my job but since I like to think that I am civilized, I won't :)
Intact male dogs are much saner than most people (and vets!!!) tend to want to believe. And besides all of this, I love their looks!
 

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I actually will be trying to undue the marking on walks and use my potty command for where it is allowed. I discovered it is best to not let him pee where ever he wants because I had him at a grass covered play ground with my kids and as he went to pee I realized my error. I don't want him peeing where ever he wants.

I don't know exactly how to handle this one....it's been added to the list lol
 

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I don't have an issue with my dog taking a break or marking a bush when I am out with him for a walk. I do not let him mark someone's property or a bench outside a restaurant. But a bush, I don't see it as a big deal. I do not let my dog up on peoples property to relieve himself or mark. Bushes on the side of the road or a telephone pole, no problem. If I am working a track, there is no marking. I have a "take a break" command and my dog will empty on command before I start working.

I let my dogs be dogs on walks, they can sniff, smell and mark a bush. They can not pull me down the street, but they don't have to heel or "march in formation." It's a walk and they can relax and enjoy the walk just like I do. We do enough obedience and work that there is a time to just go and smell the flowers. I am not big on structured walks for my dogs, I have no need for them. I see no need to have that much control over my dogs on a walk where they feel as if they are constantly under my thumb.
 

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My intact male doesn’t mark. He not interested in it. He only pees when he has to go. He is very confident, but I don’t know if there is a correlation. My older spayed female marks everywhere if I let her.
 

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I teach a "go pee" command and my dogs learn that they better go when I say, because next break might be hours.
Marking on walks is ok, unless I say no. I do not allow marking on peoples property, or on public structures. Walks are for the dogs, so unless I have them at heel they are allowed to sniff and investigate, and mark. If I say leave it, they know to move on.
 

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also -- NEVER

znd they don't mark or critter when they are , in their adult life real-world working dog lives.

marking and over marking creates distraction, tension and frustration with the male dogs.

secndly it is disrespecful to everybody else who has to enjoy that environment .

would you like it if you were sitting in an outdoor cafe and a dog came and lifted its leg
at the corner of the wrought iron decorative enclosure - missing you by inches
Well of course not! But he doesn't mark in public (whether it be inside or outside) and we go to outdoor cafes often. Oddly enough this is not something I specifically taught him, he just seems to get where "doggy areas" are. He knows too when I say " Lets go!" that means get your butt over here and focus but not a formal fuss. Im asking about a walk in a park? Why does it bother you if your dog pees on a tree? Does this behavior in general eventually lead to indoor marking in intact males? Have I just not seen it yet because my boy is still young and maturing? Why does it create frustration and tension? Is he not enjoying it, otherwise wouldn't he not do it? Not trying to be a smart butt here I have just never had an intact dog before lol.
 
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