[Montana Scout]

The pup is nine weeks old.

He is not peeing intentionally to tick you off. Sorry.

He is a baby, and he just doesn't get it yet.

Are you taking a yummy treat out with you when you potty outside? Do you use your happy voice, saying What a good boy, you when pee pee OUTside? Stress the word OUTside?

When he starts to potty inside, do you scoop him up saying, Eh, OUTside to pee pee? Then take him outside, let him finish and praise the dickens out of him for doing so and give him the yummy treat?

Are you paying constant attention to your puppy when he is loose?

Are you cleaning up pee spots with an enzyme cleaner, thouroughly?

Are you cleaning up accidents without any fan fare, of frustration leaking out at the puppy?

well im glad im doing something right everything stated above ive been doing... definatly understanding he is a pup and knowing accidents are accidents, so i roll up a newspaper really tight and hit myself with it :wild:

 

[PDXDeutschhund]

The pup is nine weeks old.

He is not peeing intentionally to tick you off. Sorry.

He is a baby, and he just doesn't get it yet.

Are you taking a yummy treat out with you when you potty outside? Do you use your happy voice, saying What a good boy, you when pee pee OUTside? Stress the word OUTside?

When he starts to potty inside, do you scoop him up saying, Eh, OUTside to pee pee? Then take him outside, let him finish and praise the dickens out of him for doing so and give him the yummy treat?

Are you paying constant attention to your puppy when he is loose?

Are you cleaning up pee spots with an enzyme cleaner, thouroughly?

Are you cleaning up accidents without any fan fare, of frustration leaking out at the puppy?

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

and Yes.

 

[vat]

Shouldn't I be worried that he's going to break a tooth or hurt himself?

No, keep trying the small steps. Your home all day right? You have time to spend, as someone else said sit by the crate and the second he is quiet drop in a treat and make a big deal of it. Believe me Max was the same way and now you would never know it. Again try covering him and see if he will quiet for a second.

Its all about timing DO NOT let him out when he is pitching a fit, its like giving your kids a reward when they have done something wrong. You end up with spoiled brats!

I actually had to sleep on the floor next to Max the first few nights. Did that with both my pups and it helped them.

 

[PaddyD]

Nine weeks is still young. It is important to catch him at it, shout NO and carry him outside then praise the heck out of him when he performs outside. The first few weeks can be H-E-L-L. But they are the investment you (unknowingly?) agreed upon when you got a puppy. When you shout NO it doesn't have to be an angry one, just to distract him, hopefully make him stop and let him know you don't want that... then get him outside. Sorry for repeating myself but it works. As for the crate training, you might want to leave the house and let him sort himself out for a half hour or so. Most puppies protest to the crate but, as stated above, they get used to it and realize it's not so bad.
Crate training can be a sanity saver and it is good for the puppy to get some alone time.

 

[doggiedad]

take him out more often. when my pup came home
at 9 weeks old we took him out every 15 minutes.
we slowly worked our way up to hours. we went from
15 minutes to a 1/2 hour to 45 minutes to a hour
and so on. whenever he woke up and after playing
we took him out immediately. my pup was house broken
in 10 days with 10 accidents. 5 of the accidents
happened on the 10 day.

we use to crate our pup many times
during the day. he was crated for
5 to 10 minutes at a time and then let out.
sometimes we stayed in the room with him
and sometimes we left the room and the house.

We were taking him out every 2 hours, sometimes more, but at least every two hours and it was working fine until today.

 

[PDXDeutschhund]

We crated him last night, all night. Put him in at midnight, took him outside every two hours. Let him out and gave him breakfast at 7. Man he pitched a fit last night. It's not whimpering. It's not crying. It's screaming and howling. The little guy has some lungs on him. There were some chunks of quiet, but it pretty much went on all night.

We're going to try again tonight. It was easy to get him in the first time with a kong... it got harder after that. He didn't really want to be in there.

 

[selzer]

Sometimes a good raw meaty bone to work on, that he gets only inside the crate works wonders. The pup will literally fall asleep mid chew.

 

[PaddyD]

Sometimes a good raw meaty bone to work on, that he gets only inside the crate works wonders. The pup will literally fall asleep mid chew.

Excellent idea. Just make sure not much fat on it or he will get the trots.

 

[JKlatsky]

We crated him last night, all night. Put him in at midnight, took him outside every two hours. Let him out and gave him breakfast at 7. Man he pitched a fit last night. It's not whimpering. It's not crying. It's screaming and howling. The little guy has some lungs on him. There were some chunks of quiet, but it pretty much went on all night.

We're going to try again tonight. It was easy to get him in the first time with a kong... it got harder after that. He didn't really want to be in there.

I promise they get over it. Like Selzer said, special treats they only get in their crate really help. It's a fairly natural response for a puppy that's had free reign of the house to pitch a full on fit. As far as they know they're trapped. A trapped puppy screams until Mom comes to help it. If he can see you he may not understand why you're not getting him out (especially if you've done it before). Maybe you didn't hear him??

Hang in there.

 

[PaddyD]

"It's not whimpering. It's not crying. It's screaming and howling. The little guy has some lungs on him. There were some chunks of quiet, but it pretty much went on all night. "

My last dog was like that. I feared the neighbors would think I was beating her. My kids were mad at me for being so 'mean'. But she got over it pretty quickly when she learned that she could not control when she left the crate and she came to love being in there, going in on her own .... to her 'cave'.

 

[PDXDeutschhund]

Sometimes a good raw meaty bone to work on, that he gets only inside the crate works wonders. The pup will literally fall asleep mid chew.

Oh we give him a lamb knucklebone from time to time. He loves it. He loves it so much that he will work on that sucker for 45 minutes or more. I've done all the little things. He eats in there. He gets treats in there. We only give him the bones in there. Doesn't stop the fact that he gets pretty intense separation anxiety.

 

[vat]

He is only getting intense because first off he does not like the crate then second he has now learned that you will let him out if he pitches a fit. Hang in there you are doing the right thing and will be happier for it later, trust us.

 

[PDXDeutschhund]

He is only getting intense because first off he does not like the crate then second he has now learned that you will let him out if he pitches a fit. Hang in there you are doing the right thing and will be happier for it later, trust us.

He's really not diggin the crate today. I've tried to feed him in there and he just isn't eating.

I took him to a puppy romp though and he's exhausted from not getting any sleep last night so I'm thinking he's just really tired.

 

[selzer]

stick to your guns, he will be fine if you do not over react or break down and let him out when he is carrying on.

 

[liv]

Stick with it! This kind of thing always gets worse before it gets better - he's going to think that the crying worked last time, and it's not working yet, so I'll have to go louder. Then they'll know to let me out. My breeder slays told me it takes 2 weeks of never compromising to break learned behaviors like that (same with begging for table scraps etc) and if you do it once to start the two weeks over. If you occasionally give in it's even worse, because then it becomes a random reward, so they're always thinking "if I really push it maybe this time I'll get what I want."

 

[PDXDeutschhund]

So here's my question... if we're crating at night, we still have to let him out to go potty. Does he associate that with "winning" even if he's going right back in?

 

[JKlatsky]

So here's my question... if we're crating at night, we still have to let him out to go potty. Does he associate that with "winning" even if he's going right back in?

No. I don't think so.

The important thing is to be sure not to play/give attention to him when he's out. Usually when I have to get up in the middle of the night with puppy I am bleary eyed and cranky to start with. I pick up the puppy, take him out, stand in one spot or do the slow circle thing. I don't pet the puppy, I don't make eye contact with the puppy, I don't talk to the puppy...except to praise him for going potty...and then I pick the puppy back up, trudge back upstairs, put the puppy in the crate with a treat, drop my hand back by the crate and attempt to go to sleep again.

 

[PDXDeutschhund]

So you don't praise them after you open the gate? Last night I waited until he calmed down every time I let him out, praised him, took him out to pee, put him back in and went back to bed.

No. I don't think so.

The important thing is to be sure not to play/give attention to him when he's out. Usually when I have to get up in the middle of the night with puppy I am bleary eyed and cranky to start with. I pick up the puppy, take him out, stand in one spot or do the slow circle thing. I don't pet the puppy, I don't make eye contact with the puppy, I don't talk to the puppy...except to praise him for going potty...and then I pick the puppy back up, trudge back upstairs, put the puppy in the crate with a treat, drop my hand back by the crate and attempt to go to sleep again.

 

[Zoeys mom]

Your doing fine don't sweat the small stuff By this time next week his tantrums may very well be over or if anything he'll wimper for 5-10 minutes. It's worse for you because you didn't put your foot down on day 1 when he didn't understand any rules in your house. Now he thinks he doesn't have to be in the crate because you taught him he could get out. Now your breaking the rules and making him stay in which is naturally confusing. A few more days of you being firm with making him sleep there and he'll finally get it

 

[liv]

I did exactly as the previous poster did. Picked her up, carried her out, quiet praise and a treat for going potty, then picked her up and carried her inside and popped her into her crate with another treat. If it gets to be fun, then they'll be wanting to go out over and over and over...