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How to navigate packs of aggressive street dogs

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How to navigate past packs of aggressive street dogs?

India has the largest population of street dogs in the world, and the highest incidence of rabies.

The problem is, people keep feeding them in inconvenient locations causing them to be territorial. Most are neither vaccinated or sterilised.

Their numbers have grown so large, where I live one can rarely go to a public place with their dog, without being accosted by street dogs.

Individual street dogs by themselves are rarely an issue - unless they have been injured in a fight. Street dogs tend to be more aggressive when in larger packs.

Packs of dogs that live in rural or forest areas, that are scavenging for their food, or not being fed by people, do not seem to be aggressive in our experience.When we are in forest areas, packs make their presence known, but have not descended upon us yet. They are mostly polite, and only seem to indicate to us they are present or maybe that it is their territory. There is no aggressive behavior.

But in urban areas, most packs tend to at the very least become very vocal, with many packs approaching us as close as 5feet away, growling, snarling and barking, baring teeth etc. The aggression is directed at my dog, not at me. If I raise my voice at them, it interrupts them and they will back off.

Usually, any dog entering what they perceive to be their territory is quickly descended upon, and they attempt to chase the dog away. Usually they succeed, because of their superior numbers. A pack of anywhere from 3+ dogs often has the courage to attempt to bully lone dogs, and usually lone street dogs run away.

Unless one wants to spend their lives indoors, travelling by motor vehicle, or living within a gated community, it is not possible to avoid packs of aggressive street dogs in India. Hence if I want to take my dog to a public place, it won’t be possible to avoid street dogs. We have encountered street dogs almost everyday since we started going out to public spaces, with varying levels of challenge depending on the situation.

At present, here is my general mode of operation, which varies depending on the situation:

- If a pack is quiet or ignores us, we ignore them and move on.
  • If they are vocal but at a distance, and not approaching, we do whatever it is we are there to do.
  • If we are descended upon, then I do the following:
l put my dog in a sit or a down, and I reward him, while keeping an eye on the members of the pack. Their barking and snarling usually carries on for a while, but we do not react. I adjust my position to be facing them, and I stand up straight. My dog sits or downs as instructed, and I instruct him not to bark. The street dogs eventually down, and one by one walk away. Usually there is a lone barker, who finds when his friends have left, either leaves himself, or lifts up a paw. At this point we continue on our way. If we are accosted again, we repeat the process. This method takes time, and it is a bit intense as I need to focus on all of them and my dog. Although it has worked every time so far, i am not an expert - just trying to apply what I understand from Turid Rugaas book (so I could be interpreting things incorrectly)
My reasoning is:
  • Running may result in them chasing and attacking us.
  • At times aggressive packs that have surrounded us have had 7-12 members. Although my 9 month old is larger than all of them individually, their large numbers may embolden them to attack.
  • Mostly I believe they are bullies that do not wish to fight. Based on my limited understanding of Turid Rugaas “barking” book, by sitting or downing, or adjusting our posture we can send calming signals and defuse the situation, and after which we carry on our way.
  • Although my puppy has a powerful bark, I would not like to use any aggressive behavior, for several reasons. For example, it may work on cowards, but i do not know enough to be concerned if it may escalate an experienced pack. Also, it may not be required.
  • Finally, the reason these packs are aggressive in my opinion, is because of the persons feeding them. If my dog barks, or asserts himself, the human persons taking care of the pack may harass us. Despite the fact that my dog is vaccinated, trained, on leash, behaving properly, and their pack of several dogs is not, reason does not always work - as usually the kinds of persons caring for these dogs do so out of a misplaced sense of compassion, and lack of responsibility towards the general public. Hence by my puppy behaving in a calm attentive and polite manner, not only would it seem absurd for any human to harass us, but it prevents the packs from being in a situation where they feel they have to fight. We make it clear we are not a threat, by simply sitting quietly.
  • I am ready to intervene, in case of attack, to protect my puppy, but would prefer to defuse or avoid things getting there. It is not so easy to leave such an area quickly as they may chase etc.
  • Also, by not raising my voice or waving a stick, humans cannot harass us for anything. It becomes clear who the aggressor is, and that we are not at fault.
My question is:
  • What is the best way to manage my dog, to protect him during such encounters?
  • Is there a better way to defuse street dogs so they leave us alone. Our current method takes time and is a bit tense.
additional details :

Street dogs in India are protected by some absurd rules. They are supposed to be sterilised and vaccinated, but they largely are not. There is no real form of animal control like in developed countries, so the situation has been steadily worsening for some time. We do not have the option of complaining to any authority, as not only have they chosen not to do anything, but it will not help us if we are accosted in the middle of a walk.
At present my dog trusts me and I trust him. He is obedient and sits or downs as instructed and will not bark if I tell him to be quiet. We are accosted daily, and have been so ever since we started walking outside. So far this strategy has worked for us, but I thought it would be good to discuss and hear some suggestions.

On a couple of occasions where it made sense, I let my dog bark (he is loud), and the dogs in those occasions do not bother us anymore. They are quiet, and we are quiet as we pass by nowadays. But those are smaller groups (1-2 dogs), and we did not have to worry about any humans harassing us.

finally - my dog is calm and cool in all situations. When we are back in our neighbourhood he is cool with neighbourhood dogs. He is also fine playing offleash with other dogs. So he seems to understand the situation.

The reason for me asking this question now, after so much time, is because usually no human beings harass us. But in recent times the situation has started becoming absurd. The numbers are too high, and the persons taking care of them take no responsibility for their behavior, but are ready to harass others for walking in a public space. I am just asking, in case someone knows a better way to deal with this kind of thing.
Very few dog owners I know, take their dogs out because of this precise reason - they’re afraid of street dogs.
most persons who do, also carry a very visible stick, as that seems to act as a deterrent. but doing so means that some humans may harass us.

basically, we just want to go for quiet walks without being harassed by street dogs or their human feeders.

It is not uncommon for some packs of street dogs to harass small kids (and have killed some in the past), or older persons. It is hard to say how often these things happen. The only data we have is that more than 96-99% of rabies incidents in india seem to be from street dog bites. I doubt we can do anything if a rabid dog bites (the above information is just to give you a picture of how common a problem this is), but perhaps there is a better way for us to navigate past packs of aggressive street dogs. My dog is vaccinated.

edit: I am also vaccinated for rabies twice in the previous two years due to bats🦇
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OMG, you just described my life for the past 20 years here in Nepal. I am so glad you made these observations and posted them here, as I have tried feebly to do in the past. Here are a few tips I found useful with my various GSDs and now a Leonberger as I navigate the streets of Kathmandu:
  1. Avoid carrying a stick as street dogs have been bred to fear them. Encountering fear is not what you want in any interaction, so it's best to avoid actions that induce fear.
  2. Always carry treats and use them to feed any dogs you come across, whether your own dog is with you or not. You can toss the treats from a distance if necessary. It's even better if your dog is with you because seeing you feed another dog sends a positive signal, although I'm not sure exactly what that signal is. Nevertheless, I religiously follow this practice.
  3. When encountering new street dogs, which is always a challenge, I make my dog, Bernie, sit while we assess the situation. If throwing treats doesn't help or confuses the dog(s), then we back off or completely change our course.
  4. Our actions depend on whose territory we are in. Marked areas (formed by taking the same route every day) are safer. In our neighborhood, we encounter the same dogs every day, and it's clear whose territories belong to whom. For the most part, I can easily walk Bernie past those familiar dogs without any issues.
  5. Strange territory with unfamiliar dogs is where the real danger lies and presents a challenge. Bernie, by default, tends to be aggressive toward most dogs (or anything on four legs). So, I make sure to check him and make him sit in place until I figure out what to do and understand the intentions of the street dog(s). Sometimes, they aggressively run up snarling (which is not good) or just make a lot of noise (which is better). If Bernie is not led away, he may respond. In such cases, I retreat in another direction, and Bernie follows suit. Occasionally, we get attacked for showing our rears, but if the attacking dog is not right on top of us, I allow Bernie to swing around and make some noise of his own, which he loves to do. That usually puts an end to it.
Note: I use a Halti chest collar with two clip lead, one end clipped on the back and one on the chest. Despite being 67 and weighing 160 lbs, I am able to control Bernie even when he becomes unruly. He weighs around 150 lbs. The danger here lies in the possibility of slipping or losing control when things happen quickly. If I have to let go of the lead, I can only hope for the best for the street dog, which are always smaller than a Leonberger. Sometimes accidents occur, and then I find myself trying to save the street dog from Bernie's powerful jaws.

Well, that's life in Nepal. Thank you for sharing your experiences in India. We are brothers in arms.
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OMG, you just described my life for the past 20 years here in Nepal. I am so glad you made these observations and posted them here, as I have tried feebly to do in the past. Here are a few tips I found useful with my various GSDs and now a Leonberger as I navigate the streets of Kathmandu:
  1. Avoid carrying a stick as street dogs have been bred to fear them. Encountering fear is not what you want in any interaction, so it's best to avoid actions that induce fear.
  2. Always carry treats and use them to feed any dogs you come across, whether your own dog is with you or not. You can toss the treats from a distance if necessary. It's even better if your dog is with you because seeing you feed another dog sends a positive signal, although I'm not sure exactly what that signal is. Nevertheless, I religiously follow this practice.
  3. When encountering new street dogs, which is always a challenge, I make my dog, Bernie, sit while we assess the situation. If throwing treats doesn't help or confuses the dog(s), then we back off or completely change our course.
  4. Our actions depend on whose territory we are in. Marked areas (formed by taking the same route every day) are safer. In our neighborhood, we encounter the same dogs every day, and it's clear whose territories belong to whom. For the most part, I can easily walk Bernie past those familiar dogs without any issues.
  5. Strange territory with unfamiliar dogs is where the real danger lies and presents a challenge. Bernie, by default, tends to be aggressive toward most dogs (or anything on four legs). So, I make sure to check him and make him sit in place until I figure out what to do and understand the intentions of the street dog(s). Sometimes, they aggressively run up snarling (which is not good) or just make a lot of noise (which is better). If Bernie is not led away, he may respond. In such cases, I retreat in another direction, and Bernie follows suit. Occasionally, we get attacked for showing our rears, but if the attacking dog is not right on top of us, I allow Bernie to swing around and make some noise of his own, which he loves to do. That usually puts an end to it.
Note: I use a Halti chest collar with two clip lead, one end clipped on the back and one on the chest. Despite being 67 and weighing 160 lbs, I am able to control Bernie even when he becomes unruly. He weighs around 150 lbs. The danger here lies in the possibility of slipping or losing control when things happen quickly. If I have to let go of the lead, I can only hope for the best for the street dog, which are always smaller than a Leonberger. Sometimes accidents occur, and then I find myself trying to save the street dog from Bernie's powerful jaws.

Well, that's life in Nepal. Thank you for sharing your experiences in India. We are brothers in arms.
😂 I was thinking you would reply! I’ve seen some of your other posts and imagined your situation must be similar in Nepal!
🙏Thank you for all the suggestions, and taking the time to write this. I feel much better.
I have avoided feeding street dogs, because as they are untrained, even if they calm down (which they probably will), we don’t have any words to tell them what to do. So they will probably keep following us which is also annoying. Also, since the feeders here do not do any additional care besides feeding, they could have all kinds of things I don’t want my dog to get from them. We don’t want to be friends, we just want them to leave us alone.
Also we don’t want to spend time training them, as who has that much time. We keep roaming around in new locations, so we’re always encountering dogs we have never seen before.
So far we have never turned our backs to them, because I’ve never wanted them to feel they can chase us. At times when they have calmed down, and we start to walk away, they start up again, at which point I turn and face them again and repeat the process.
My dog is only about 30kgs (66lbs) a German shepherd, and about 9.5 months old. Although he is brave, and without my restriction would bark and lunge at them, get on two legs etc, I wouldn’t want there to be a fight, because he could get hurt. We gain nothing through combat, but risk injury, as well as human harassment.
People here like to call German shepherds as dangerous / aggressive dogs, while ignore these packs that roam the streets offleash, unvaccinated and untrained, and harassing and biting who they see fit. Using my current mode, we avoid blame, but it’s still stressful and time consuming.
If I let my dog behave in an aggressive manner, then although he may chase away those dogs, there is a chance of us being harassed by humans.
Also, I am not experienced enough with this to understand how this may affect his perception of dogs in general. At present, he is calm, attentive and polite in presence of neighbourhood pet dogs, and loves to play with any dog he meets especially offleash.
I do not know what will happen if I regularly let him chase away street dogs. Maybe nothing will, because as a shepherd they’re probably experienced at protecting their flock and chasing away predators.. . At present he is obedient and I trust him both with people and dogs. I would not like him to feel that he has to take charge of such situations if there is a peaceful alternative. I don’t know.
I have put a lot of faith in Turid Rugaas book, but as our environments are very different, who is to say it will always work with these kinds of packs. That’s why I thought maybe discussing we will know what works here.
Regarding territory - we regularly roam around in places we have not explored before. Our mode is that we do not desire conflict, but wish to pass.
the whole thing is so absurd. 😂 I do not blame the street dogs at all, just the persons feeding them, because the way they are doing things makes them territorial. If they just did it responsibly, away from entrances or places where people must pass then there would be no conflict. But feeders generally do it where it is convenient for them without any thought for the inconvenience to the general public.
The numbers are increasing too much. They are everywhere, so I don’t think avoidance is a long term solution here.

thank you again so much for posting . I will read and reread your post several times till it sinks in. 🙏

edit: I use an ordinary no pull harness and a short 4.5 ft leash (which at times I quickly wrap around my hand to reduce or increase length as necessary).
In the event of conflict, my plan is to keep my dog close to me so I can get in the way of any attacking dogs, or drive them away. If I release him or let him be too far, he could get hurt, as there are too many other dogs. I also feel that since the other dogs aggression is directed at him, and they may be fearful of humans, being close to me while I become vocal etc may deter them.

edit: removed humour’s

edit: but good idea about throwing treats… let me think about it… maybe try it with a small pack some place where we don’t plan to visit often… but my fear is the dogs won’t leave us alone after that… and what happens when I run out of treats?
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Feel like mad max… if he was a dog…. 😑… and if I was my dog…😑… uh….
I knew Herojig would be the best person to give you advice! He's the only person on this board that lives in similar circumstances! 👍
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I knew Herojig would be the best person to give you advice! He's the only person on this board that lives in similar circumstances! 👍
Yes I have seen his posts, and am glad there is atleast one more person in a similar environment 🙏 😂… i feel so much better… 👍
I’ve been thinking about this. Really not sure what the best approach is.

Maybe just accept that whereever we go, there will be unnecessary and unfair things happening… that we can’t do much about…I’m going to stop thinking about it.
  • I will try to ensure my dog is calm, attentive and polite
  • will try to defuse and extricate ourselves from any situation.
  • in case of any attack, will protect my dog
  • will deal with humans in polite, firm, respectful and hopefully friendly manner, detailing the law and their responsibilities. Ok, that’s all then. Will hope for the best 👍
Is there a rabies shot readily available for humans in your area? I would figure that out just in case.
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Is there a rabies shot readily available for humans in your area? I would figure that out just in case.
👍That’s a good idea. It’s not readily available - takes some searching. I’ve been vaccinated against rabies both last year and the year before because of bats. I have an extra dose stored in my fridge from before.
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I spoke with someone else today, who lives in a different place - a mountainous area. They told me the dog packs in their area tend to lunge and go after people that carry sticks.

I also visited a different city today, where I saw a total of one street dog, whereas in my city I would probably have seen 30-50 in the same amount of time. Apparently there was some incident where some small kid was attacked, and that spurred the local administration to do something about it.

So I guess there is no one size fits all answer, and everything differs on a case by case basis. Just like packs in different neighbourhoods and in the forest areas I visit are different, they seem to differ from place to place, depending on the behavior of the local people.

hence perhaps this is a very broad and general question, making it hard to answer. I will try to split this question up into smaller more specific scenarios, compare it with real life, and assemble the responses later, to try to have comprehensive answer to this question.
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