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sorry if this has been asked before. i did an advanced search for threads only with the words "crate train long" and got no results.

how long does everyone crate train for? the trainer we use says 2 years. even when fully potty trained and no chance of tearing anything up. his reasoning is they will become dominant if not in the crate and there's a chance of the dogs attacking you in your sleep. i dunno, sounds silly to us. wife and i go against his advice and just keep the dogs loose in the bedroom with the door closed when we sleep. 1 is 1.5 years and the other is 4.5 months. we have never had a problem. we kept the little one in the crate at night 'till we were sure he was fully potty trained.

we still use the crate for time outs and that's it. so just curious what everyone else does.
 

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Sinister ~ He was crated at night from 11 weeks old up until 6 months old. He was crated during the day when no one was home until he turned 2 years old.

Draco ~ He has never been crated at night, he slept in my bed from 11 weeks old up until 6 months old and then he started sleeping on a dog bed on the floor. He is crated during the day and he can be a lunatic so I don't know if he will ever be able to be crate free during the day. :wild:
 

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the trainer we use says 2 years. even when fully potty trained and no chance of tearing anything up. his reasoning is they will become dominant if not in the crate and there's a chance of the dogs attacking you in your sleep. i dunno, sounds silly to us. wife and i go against his advice and just keep the dogs loose in the bedroom with the door closed when we sleep.
What the?

Get a new trainer, that man is crazy and has no idea what he is talking about!
 

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thanks bro! i just wanted to make sure we're not somehow abusing the dogs by not keeping them crated every night 'till they were 2 years old.
 

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I'd keep the crate training behavior fresh for the life of the dog. If your dog eventually proves he can go without it go for it. In any case though keep the crate behavior intact in case of injury or need to travel etc.
 

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if done correctly, the crate becomes a refuge. when there was too much activity, kyra would just go to her crate and chill. door wasn't latched ever since she was about 14 months.
 

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how long does everyone crate train for? the trainer we use says 2 years. even when fully potty trained and no chance of tearing anything up. his reasoning is they will become dominant if not in the crate and there's a chance of the dogs attacking you in your sleep.
That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on this forum. Well....maybe one of the top ten.

The idea would be to make sure your dog is comfortable being kenneled. You may not ever have the need to kennel your dog again after it's trust worthy in your home.

However, there could be hospital (vet) stays, or emergencies that would require your dog to be crated. You want to make sure that your dog isn't stressed any more than it has to be.
 

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good points made. our dogs will always be comfortable being kenneled. they go with my wife to her job everyday at a doggy day camp. they are kenneled for an hour at noon to eat lunch and take a nap to avoid bloat. we just didn't see a reason to keep them crated at night when they have both proven themselves to be trusted.
 

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Delgado loved his crate too much, he was 2 before he finally would settle outside of the crate at night without fussing. I used a xpen at night and he slept like a rock, but leave the door open and he would pace and whine until it was shut. During the day he was crated when we left, he just wasn't trustworthy not to bug the cats or other dogs if he got bored.

Now he's fully out of the crate 24/7, some dogs take longer then others.
 

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i forgot to mention that my wife and i work different shifts. i sleep afternoons and work nights. she sleeps nights and works days. it is kinda pointless to have german shepherds locked in cages at night if there's an intruder. i'm sure the 4.5 month old won't help much, his bark is much worse than his bite, but the older one can help. we live in a sketchy neighborhood. next door was burglarized last week. 4 houses on the block were broken into during the first night of the week long power outage following hurricane sandy.

it makes me feel better about leaving my wife alone at night with the dogs out.
 

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i forgot to mention that my wife and i work different shifts. i sleep afternoons and work nights. she sleeps nights and works days. it is kinda pointless to have german shepherds locked in cages at night if there's an intruder. i'm sure the 4.5 month old won't help much, his bark is much worse than his bite, but the older one can help. we live in a sketchy neighborhood. next door was burglarized last week. 4 houses on the block were broken into during the first night of the week long power outage following hurricane sandy.

it makes me feel better about leaving my wife alone at night with the dogs out.
I see your point but if you have a destructive puppy/dog or a puppy/dog that can't hold it's bladder at night and can just go pee anywhere then you will have items you will need to replace or messes you will need to clean up.
 

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also the trainer that we use, that someone said we should fire, said that since our dog had confidence issues when we first got her, shouldn't be taught personal protection. the dog was 4 1/2 months when we got her. she wasn't people socialized at all and would crouch down when walking past strangers. she's perfect now at a year and a half of constant socialization and training. she's done and still does advanced off leash obedience, rally, detection and agility. she has tons of drive, both toy and food motivated, we would like to get her into bite work but our trainer says no because over a year ago she had confidence issues.
 

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This is the same trainer that said your dog will eat you if you don't crate it at night? Seriously?
 

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This is the same trainer that said your dog will eat you if you don't crate it at night? Seriously?
yep. he sells trained dogs to the military and law enforcement for about $50,000 each, i don't want to call him or his company out on here but he is a good trainer. just some of the things he says makes no sense to me.
 

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Something isn't right here. Something is very strange......
 
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