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I took axle into the vet because he started limping the other morning so I wanted to have him looked at to make sure it was nothing bad since he never has limped before so the vet suggested X-rays heres what I got. The vet said the left hip looks like it has some signs of arthritis.
 

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The hip on the right( as I look at it) has very poor coverage and significant changes in the femoral head. It could be positioning, but his femur length is significantly different as well. If he was very sore, they may not have been able to extend the hips and leg down appropriately. So I am not sure if it's significant or not.
 

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He is 3 years old the when I took him to the vet the vet extended both legs to see the movement and said the movement all seemed normal. When they took the X-rays he was not sedated, they just did it with him standing there so I'm sure it was hard to get him to stay still and in the perfect position.
 

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Also is there some sort of nationwide company that you can email the X-rays to that can look them over, I would definitely like to have someone look at these X-rays that is specialized in HD. As the vet can only give you a rough idea of what he thinks but is not specialized in HD.
 

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Warning i am not a veterinarian, this is coming from my own personal opinion and my own experience in the animal world.

I really dont know a whole lot about hip x-rays, but i will say that after all the of the hip x-rays i have seen, According to that ONE x-ray, the dogs left hip has poor placement.. It is hard to see what is going on in the right hip, maybe because the picture comes up small on here..
But i really only would be worried about bone hitting bone, arthritis starting, pain from that..

If it is HD.. (I would get this proven.) At the very least i would start on some supplements. Fish oil, Cosequin DS (is good join supplement, but you can look into others), Benefit Hips and Knees (my holistic vet really believes this herbal has helped many of his patients with joint problems) There are other things like laser therapy, adequan shots, building up muscle around the joint to help support it, surgery options and many more things to help with HD.

But it could just be bad X-rays, its good to have them sedated for it, for best placement. :) Maybe you can have it done again and have the x-rays be sent in somewhere to be rated.
 

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I am know vet either but the hip on the right side of the x-ray clearly looks bad to me. Shallow socket some remodeling of the head. When I had a bad set of xrays on Cyra.. the vetsent me to an ortho vet... And he said that he didn't need to see anymore he saw enough I think experienced eyes will be able to determine what they're looking at. To be honest they don't look any worse than hers looked... But each dog is different. Someone who is used to dealing with this is probably going to give you a better view of all your options ... maybe keep the dog lean give glucosamine and a little physical therapy.... Though they might recommend more..... Particularly since most of it appears to be in one hip...... Not the end of the world but hopefully something workable.... bummer
 

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What brand fish oil do you all recommend, he's getting a liquid glucosamine twice a day.
Also I live in Los angeles area are there any vets or someone specialized in HD that I can get a good idea of how bad it possibly is?
 

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Also where can I send in the X-rays to have them graded?
Not a professional.. But from what I have heard from my vet to pass Hip-dysplacia certs. the hips need to be very well aligned.

It costs far more to have them graded by a professional body than to take the x-rays, and have your vet give you his opinion.
Suffice to say if you trust your vet's expertise that could be enough...

I would suggest taking better x-rays if you want them graded... I don't think those x-rays would be eligible for example to get a dog certified for good hips...

The legs are not in proper alignment. Maybe your vet through his professional experience could get the necessary information from those particular x-rays.
Sedation can provide better x-rays if dog cant stay still..

If you ask your vet... He should be able to sort out the required paper-work and send them to get graded... But I think he would have to retake x-rays and possibly sedate the dog.
 

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What brand fish oil do you all recommend, he's getting a liquid glucosamine twice a day.
Also I live in Los angeles area are there any vets or someone specialized in HD that I can get a good idea of how bad it possibly is?

Ask your vet for an orthopedic surgeon. Those are the ones that can take really good xrays.

If he's diagnosed with HD, why spend the money and time to have them graded? Do you need it for a breeder?
 

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It costs far more to have them graded by a professional body than to take the x-rays, and have your vet give you his opinion.
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It costs like $40 to send the x-Rays into the OFFA and have them graded. Not "far more" but actually "way less" then getting the actual x-Ray done.

OP, you'd definitely need better positioning on the hips. Vets know the positioning and if you tell them that's what it's for they'll do it. I'm surprised the vet didn't do it to evaluate the hips properly in this case but he might've not cared and was only looking for something really bad.

Go to offa.org for more information. The dog can either be sedated or not, it doesn't really matter as long as you can get the correct positioning.
 

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It costs like $40 to send the x-Rays into the OFFA and have them graded. Not "far more" but actually "way less" then getting the actual x-Ray done.

OP, you'd definitely need better positioning on the hips. Vets know the positioning and if you tell them that's what it's for they'll do it. I'm surprised the vet didn't do it to evaluate the hips properly in this case but he might've not cared and was only looking for something really bad.

Go to offa.org for more information. The dog can either be sedated or not, it doesn't really matter as long as you can get the correct positioning.
Ok Fair enough...

I was quoted a heli of a lot more.. But I live on a small island. And they needed to retake X-rays to their standards to get certified and checked in Germany... Plus send the forms Etc.. The price was a significant increase for me.

Im sure it's a lot cheaper in America... But does not change the fact that he has to re-do those x-rays...

So technically cost of the OFFA is X-ray + OFFA + any extra cost that may be incurred by the vet to take X-rays to correct standards... Which may or may not mean sedating the dog...

Simply re-doing X-rays and having a professional on hip dysplsia check them could in fact be cheaper... Cumulatively if you think about it...

But You are right $40 extra is not much... I think it was €200-€300 I was quoted to get the official German Paperwork and do everything versus about €40 for x-rays and just my vets opinion.... I just opted to have my vet look at them.
 

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It costs like $40 to send the x-Rays into the OFFA and have them graded. Not "far more" but actually "way less" then getting the actual x-Ray done.

OP, you'd definitely need better positioning on the hips. Vets know the positioning and if you tell them that's what it's for they'll do it. I'm surprised the vet didn't do it to evaluate the hips properly in this case but he might've not cared and was only looking for something really bad.

Go to offa.org for more information. The dog can either be sedated or not, it doesn't really matter as long as you can get the correct positioning.
I also wanted to add that to get official cert's the x-rays have to meet a certain std. and may require the dog to be sedated to get the better x-ray...

A good Ortho Vet may be able to come to a diagnosis with less standardised x-rays with a slightly less reliable positioning... without sedating the dog if the dog is very uneasy... This will also decrease the costs... In fact going to a dysplasia expert... He may be happy with the current x-rays... And not need to retake them at all...
 

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the x-rays could be sent to the US for OFA as stated, it is about $40US for the evaluation....when we here in the US send them to Germany, it costs us nearly 200 US..

I don't see why you can't send them into OFA - the hips will not pass, they are very poor conformation, and I don't think retaking them with a better position will make them any better....sorry.....

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Neither of my dogs were sedated and one passed with good hips (I was told I can send them in again and they could go excellent) and the other one passed with excellent. I don't think sedation has anything to do with it. I purposely went to a vet who doesn't sedate because that's something that's not worth putting my dog under for.

Yeah those hips aren't great, I would just take them to a specialist and see what they suggest. If you post where you live there might be some recommendations that people can give.
 

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Sedation is helpful for us taking the x-ray because we can fully extend the leg and actually get the pelvis level without having to deal with them fighting us on it. It isn't easy to take those films and I can't say how many times I have to show people the tricks that I use to get the films properly lined. It is much harder on an awake dog and honestly harder too when disease is present. The joint often cannot be fully extended because of how the body has attempted to compensate for the injured joint and they guard it enough that some days even with sedating, you can only extend it so far.

You could go to an ortho specialist and see what they think and recommend as far as supplements and physiotherapy goes. There are a lot of things that you can do to help without resorting to surgery. I know that people can send x-rays taken into our radiologist to have them read. It isn't like sending them into OFA, but he knows how to read them better than the average vet (and honestly even better than the specialists I work with who often want his or another radiologist's opinion before taking an animal to surgery if they feel on the fence about it). Would be another potential option. :) I'm lucky that I can take x-rays at my part time job and drop them under the radiologist's nose without having to worry about paying. xD I definitely learn a lot from him however.
 

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A good ortho vet can probably get what is needed from the x-rays and, if not, will know exactly what shots to get. They can also examine the dog and link you up with therapy etc. The one I went to was not at all keen on rushing into surgery.

I really think it is a good investment in a specialist vet visit to understand the severity and the options available.
 

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A good ortho vet can probably get what is needed from the x-rays and, if not, will know exactly what shots to get. They can also examine the dog and link you up with therapy etc. The one I went to was not at all keen on rushing into surgery.

I really think it is a good investment in a specialist vet visit to understand the severity and the options available.
I think this is the best advice.
 

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From what i've been reading and all your comments which is greatly appreciated, I am going to try and find a good ortho specialist to look at the xrays, having the xrays graded will just be a waste of time and money. The good thing is Axle isn't limping anymore and doesn't seem to be bothered by it. I think what caused all this in the beginning was maybe he pulled something when I took him to the park to run around. I know the hip still isn't good so I definitely want to have an ortho vet give me his recommendation. BTW I live in the Los Angeles CA area so if anyone knows of a good ortho vet around here please let me know.
 
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