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My 7 month old import had his hips and elbows xrayed today and all is fine including his spine but he has mild hip dysplasia per the ortho. I wil get another opinion from the Florida Vet School about the pictures. Interested in their prognosis.
My 3.5 year old male who just died from IBD issues was xrayed at one year and certified as excellent by the SV in Germany and at 3 1/4 years old developed issues and was xrayed with dysplasia causing arthritis.
So what is one to think? The dog supposedly has one year gtee on hips- I think?
 

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I am sorry about your male, I hadn't realized he died???? I know he didn't like your puppy, but I thought his IBD was under control? Again sorry.

I don't know much about how the SV works (I hope the breeders will chime in who do know)

I was under the assumption when you import you usually don't get any type of hip guarantee?? Again, I could be way off base there.

I know you can get a prelim from OFA, but not a rating until they are 2.
I think I would also get another opinion, however, ortho's are normally specialists that know what they are seeing.

I have never had a dog with dysplasia (knock on wood), but I do know if they have it, it's not going to disappear. But I also know they can live very long productive active lives with it if they are kept in good condition.

Can the SV certify a dog's hips at one year?? Again, I don't know enough about the SV .
 

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The SV does certify at one year....there is no Excellent rating....only

'a' normal
'a' fast normal
noch zugulassen

then 'a' 4 and 'a' 5 are failures

OFA does "excellent" and only about 3% of all x-rays fall into this category....thus with 'a' normal being the largest group in the SV and OFA Good probably the largest percentage here - an 'a' normal should be considered a "Good" ROUGHLY!!!

Hips change after one year all the time!!!! I have seen FCI B's and C's go OFA Good and Excellent....and 'a' normals go downhill

Rarely does a kennel from Germany offer a hip warrenty....the few that do that I know of have replaced pups - and the buyer obviously got the least promising pup the breeder had on site - the three replacement pups I know of from Germany & Belgium included one of the wost spooks I ever have seen, another was not much more than a dwarf, and the last nothing to offer workwise, but ok for a pet (and also failed OFA BTW)...

I am sorry for your bad luck Armauro.....unfortunately, the internet is not the best place to get info as people cannot and will not and SHOULD not bash a breeder here[ and sometimes you are better off picking up the phone....

As far as the young male, get him on a good diet, supplements, and do not despair - mild HD is not going to impair the function of a companion dog to a great extent - many dogs with even moderate HD do the sport....can you PM me a link to his pedigree - I am a bit curious about the pedigree/linebreeding...

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That is what my Bens breeder from Pa had me do-it was expensive also. It will be interesting what the Vet school doc says re the prognosis- she worked with me last October re my Ben. I can not catch a break with this breed! At the vet school they tell me that the gsd has many particular health issues never you can have pyscho issues also.
 

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well unfortunately the vet school is right:((
 

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You are correct it is a normal on the SV papers. As far as the pup he comes from an importer here in the us. His parents are Remo vom Fichtenschlag and Daggi vom Kabinett. I wanted a Remo progeny when I was looking for a another dog. I am sure most people know who Remo is.
I do not believe ANYONE is bashing any breeder here- it is a statment on the breed and its issues per the vet school here in Florida.
 

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did not say you were - sorry you did not understand....

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The importer/breeder, since he does both, from whom I bought the pup at 4 months claims I never should have xrayed a young dog since the obvious ie his ligaments tendons muscles etc are not fully developed PLUS the anethesia will compromise his immune system going forward????? He is totally pissed.

Bens breeder, a very reputable breeder, also suggested the prelim xrays when it looked like I might have to sell him because of pack issues at home since resolved since Ben died.

My vet totally disagrees with the importer and while not completely formed the bone structure is there ie the femoral head and antebelum.
Still waiting for the vet school prognosis.
 

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The importer/breeder, since he does both, from whom I bought the pup at 4 months claims I never should have xrayed a young dog since the obvious ie his ligaments tendons muscles etc are not fully developed PLUS the anethesia will compromise his immune system going forward????? He is totally pissed.

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So what happens if you have a dog fixed? Don't they use anesthesia for that?
 

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The importer/breeder, since he does both, from whom I bought the pup at 4 months claims I never should have xrayed a young dog since the obvious ie his ligaments tendons muscles etc are not fully developed PLUS the anethesia will compromise his immune system going forward????? He is totally pissed.

Bens breeder, a very reputable breeder, also suggested the prelim xrays when it looked like I might have to sell him because of pack issues at home since resolved since Ben died.

My vet totally disagrees with the importer and while not completely formed the bone structure is there ie the femoral head and antebelum.
Still waiting for the vet school prognosis.
"the anethesia will compromise his immune system going forward" That is entirely false. Any medical or Ortho questions should be directed to your vets not from a breeder that is questionable to begin with and who makes excuses for poor breeding.
 

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Remo is a very beautiful dog...I'm very sorry for your experience.
Hip problems can happen to any dog, out of any parentage.
The importer should be more sympathetic...AND educated in regards to immune systems, and anesthesia on a healthy puppy/dog.
I hope things work out for you.
 

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I have never had a dog with dysplasia (knock on wood), but I do know if they have it, it's not going to disappear. But I also know they can live very long productive active lives with it if they are kept in good condition.
Kaija is one of the lucky ones. She has a severely dysplastic hip, and her "good" hip is borderline. She's 8.5 years old & has thus far led a very active & happy life. This winter she's shown mild symptoms for the first time (and only a handful of times, shortly after waking up in the morning). She's been on joint support supplements & an exercise program since she was diagnosed at age two.
 

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Interesting, most humane socities neuter all dogs/cats- with anethesia so this guy is a little nuts. He is trying to cya regarding the hip issue as far as gtees go.
Also the hip joint is perfect or not to different degrees. My older male was "a normal" at a year but had the most common issue at 3.5 years with a loose fitting femur head causing pressure on the upper antebelum then arthritis. My 4 year old female had mild dysplasia at 2 years old but has been fine and is as fast a runner as any dog.
 
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