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Hi there, I've been posting in the Schutzhund group for a couple weeks, but now that my girl is getting settled I thought I'd like to come here and learn a bit. Brief background-- I've shown (conformation) and trained (obedience, rally, little bit of schutzhund & agility) for about 30 years but haven't been doing much the past 10 years. My past dogs were Rottweilers and Staffordshire Bull Terriers. I now have (in addition to Jetta, my first GSD) a cane corso (who was to be my competition obedience dog but was diagnosed with severe hip dysplasia at only 8 months of age and had to be retired immediately. He had already passed his STAR puppy and CGC and was nearly ready for his CD:( ), an Ibizan Hound & 2 Chihuahuas.

I've had my girl, Jetta, for just over 2 weeks. I've been letting her settle in and transition into our home and pack. She is 20 months old and has been basically in a kennel from the time she was bought from her breeder at about 4 months until 20 months old. Her previous owner did have a trainer work with her, but I don't know what all was done, nor what techniques were used. I know she was trained in English, but I train with a combination of English, Hungarian, and German commands. Just for fun, since she's been settling in so well and seemed to want to do *something* other than our basic walks and runs we've been doing, I took her out yesterday JUST to see what she may or may not know, and how she would respond to my foreign commands. SHE WAS AMAZING. Here's a short video, and I am just so tickled with her. I can't wait to get her into training classes at my local training club. I think she did FANTASTIC, and I think her focus and eye contact was really good considering the short amount of time I've had her and that this was our very first attempt at a mini training session. I think we will go far :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5gOBiSFasQ

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Welcome, could not watch your video it is set to private. Wish you lots of success with your girl, pics please.:greet:
 

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Nice looking girl! Most GSDs, in my experience, would rather be house dogs at least part of the time, than be full time kennel dogs.

One caution on the commands - I am pretty sure one of the more recent rule changes in IPO required consistency in the language that you use when you trial. I use German for obedience work, and more casual English in the house....my Belgian import was trained in Flemish, but also seemed to respond to German - ie would out about the same for 'los' or 'aus'....

Where are you in Ohio and what club are you going to train in? We have members here in some of the clubs.

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One caution on the commands - I am pretty sure one of the more recent rule changes in IPO required consistency in the language that you use when you trial
Twice I've seen judges comment on that in the critique, using 1 language. Both times it was before the latest new rules. Club trials, I don't think they took any points for it though.
 

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Why would it matter which language you use?
And do they really know all commands in every single language?
What if you used 'butt on the floor' in Japanese for a sit?

Or is there a set of commands and a set of languages that can be used?

Still don't get the reasoning behind one language
 

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The actual rule says:

"Handlers may use their choice of language but all commands must be consistent in the same language for the same exercise in all phases of the trial"

That sounds like if you use platz in ob you have to in A&C too, but you could use heel in all 3 too. Sorry WK Ohio, I only use one so I never really had to think about that.
 

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So do the judges actually memorize the commands the handlers used the first time around and then make sure same ones are used?

I don't get how it's enforced and I don't get the reasoning behind it. But I guess that's ot.
 

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Nice looking girl! Most GSDs, in my experience, would rather be house dogs at least part of the time, than be full time kennel dogs.

One caution on the commands - I am pretty sure one of the more recent rule changes in IPO required consistency in the language that you use when you trial. I use German for obedience work, and more casual English in the house....my Belgian import was trained in Flemish, but also seemed to respond to German - ie would out about the same for 'los' or 'aus'....

Where are you in Ohio and what club are you going to train in? We have members here in some of the clubs.

Lee
Thanks Lee. She definitely LOVES being a housedog. I have to really lure her outside even to go potty! I think she's afraid I will put her out in the kennel and leave her there :( All my dogs are housedogs, though, so she will become secure in that with time.

I did not know that about the consistency in commands. Is that the same for SchH? The club I'm going to look at is the Southwestern Ohio SchH Club-- a fairly new club, from what I understand. They just had their first trial in June. They are really close to me (Dayton area) so I'm really excited about that --- last time I had a working dog, the closest SchH club was 2 or 3 hours away.

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Why would it matter which language you use?
And do they really know all commands in every single language?
What if you used 'butt on the floor' in Japanese for a sit?

Or is there a set of commands and a set of languages that can be used?

Still don't get the reasoning behind one language

LOL, back in the early 90's I was training at a club in Alaska and the girl had created all her own commands--- "chair" for sit, "rug" for down, and so on.....

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Hmm, I don't know Lala. Maybe in the judges notes? Are you going to do IPO with her Carey? Besides the commands, I'd think about getting rid of the hand signals if you are.

I hadn't thought too far ahead-- was going to do competitive AKC obedience, and if she's got the "stuff" for Schutzhund, was going to give that a go. I haven't trained with any working clubs in almost 25 years so I'm really rusty and don't even know what's offered around here. I guess I need to look into that. I will be taking Jetta to the SchH club in the next few weeks for an evaluation and then I'll go from there. She isn't as socialized as I would like so I am not sure if she will pass the eval for SchH?

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LOL, back in the early 90's I was training at a club in Alaska and the girl had created all her own commands--- "chair" for sit, "rug" for down, and so on.....



Carey & Jetta

Lol and what was her reasoning?

I'm actually very interested now in why this rule exists (using commands in one language only) since the commands are not unified anyway, so let's say if I did use Japanese I can come up with my own set of words for the commands anyway. So why does it matter which language I stick to?

Lol google didn't help
 

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Lol and what was her reasoning?

I'm actually very interested now in why this rule exists (using commands in one language only) since the commands are not unified anyway, so let's say if I did use Japanese I can come up with my own set of words for the commands anyway. So why does it matter which language I stick to?

Lol google didn't help
She didn't want anyone else to be able to handle her dog or tell it what to do. Pretty much the same reason I mix up my commands/languages. Not that it would truly matter since the dog should really only follow the commands of its owner/handler anyway. I had imported trained dogs from Hungary and Germany so I had been used to using those commands and prefer certain ones (ul, which is Hungarian for 'sit') I prefer because "sitz" sounds similar to "platz" but I pretty much use German for the rest except "wait"

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