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My 10 month old GSD has had stool problems pretty much since I got her. Here are her symptoms:

Loose stool- ranging from semi formed to cow patty. Occasionally watery.
Orangish color
Goes a lot-often
Eats her poop and the other dogs
Always hungry
skinny-can see all the ribs. not gaining muscle. Gained 1.5 pounds in 2 months but also grew half an inch-inch.

She was just tested for EPI- negative.
Results are tli-7.9 Folate-16.5 and b12-289.

I don't know where to go from here. She has been de wormed, been on antibiotics, tried different foods, including raw and LID kibble with a novel protein. No difference.

I ordered digestive enzymes in case it was EPI. Should I try them, even though it is not? or should I return/sell them.

ANY help is much appreciated. I am so frustrated and just feeling down that I can't help her =( and honestly, I'm sick of picking up mushy poop all day.
 

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I currently have the same problem with my 3 year old loose stools and underweight. I took her to the vet and everything checked out fine but still no weight gain at all she is just maintaining it . As for the mushy poop I have been giving her white rice to help tighten it up and it has seem to help her. Hope you can get some help and suggestions on how to rectify your situation ,best of luck :)
 

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My pup had loose stools and low weight. For a while I fed her a mixture of rice, chicken and pureed pumpkin. That firmed her stools. The problem appears to have been a reactiion to her food. Solid Gold Large Breed puppy food and Orijeb large breed puppy food were not well tolerated. I started her on Fromm's Gold large puppy and initially mixed it with rice, pumpkin and chicken and very, very slowly increased the amount of the Fromm's kibble. Hope this helps.
 

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What about treating her for SIBO?

What supplements is she getting? HAve you tried Honest Kitchen's Perfect Form and probiotics?
 

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What brand of enzymes? May need something more specific to healing as well as breakdown

I have a read that sometimes folate can mask a B12 deficiency therefore EPI goes undiagnosed

Your pup will still benefit from the use of enzymes as they break down the food making it more easily digested with or w/o an enzyme deficiency.

Did you list probiotic in there?

Did your pup have giardia before - may have a mild case and not shedding on tests - could be malabsorption issue caused by a variety of reasons

Orange poop is also an indication of lack of bile salts and/or too rapid of a transit time

here is human explaination of bile/digestion
Regulation of Bile Release
 

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What about treating her for SIBO?

What supplements is she getting? HAve you tried Honest Kitchen's Perfect Form and probiotics?
Yes shes been on HK PF for a few months. and probiotics about a month ago. Didn't see a change.

Considering treating for sibo with Tylan.
 

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What brand of enzymes? May need something more specific to healing as well as breakdown

I have a read that sometimes folate can mask a B12 deficiency therefore EPI goes undiagnosed

Your pup will still benefit from the use of enzymes as they break down the food making it more easily digested with or w/o an enzyme deficiency.

Did you list probiotic in there?

Did your pup have giardia before - may have a mild case and not shedding on tests - could be malabsorption issue caused by a variety of reasons

Orange poop is also an indication of lack of bile salts and/or too rapid of a transit time

here is human explaination of bile/digestion
Regulation of Bile Release
Enzymes are the ones from enzyme diane. 6x. I should get them tomorrow. Can I try it on a non EPI dog? No giardia that I know of but she was treated for coccidia as a puppy. Vet wants to do a round of panacur now.

I am off to go read that link.

Thanks everyone!
 

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Be careful with overdoing on the dewormer. Rafi had parasites about a year or so after I adopted him. He also came with a serious loose stool issue that took me a good year to get straightened out. I gave him one dose of panacur and it messed up his digestive system for months!!!!!!!

I am not big on antibiotics but I know Tylan has worked wonders for lots of gsds.
 

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By reading yours first and other people posts, remembering Lucy from 4 months when I got her to her being 1 year old, going through all these troubles and finally finding out the reason, I guess, her liver cannot cope with certain ingredient in her diet.
If her stool doesn't smell the reek of something ill, as it often happens with sick dogs, most likely she cannot metabolize something. Some dogs cannot digest beef, some dogs cannot digest lamb. But be very careful experimenting with all this pharmacenalia, it is not difficult to destroy your dog's system completely by adding antibiotics ( just read this word - "anti-bio" - it is "anti-life" !), deworming tablets which are very poisonous ( many dog owners prefer to push 4-5 garlic cloves into throat once in two weeks instead of regular deworming, and deworm their dogs once a year only); besides, it is pretty costly to check your dog properly, you wouldn't get away just with a few hundred, it costs more.
I suggest you to start with rather light meals which, probably, all dogs can easily digest, and that is chicken and rabbit. Chicken and rabbit is a natural prey for the majority of canines, this food is low in fat and the type of protein isn't hard for the liiver. Beef, lamb and especially pork will put strain on her liver, will make it working hard, your puppy may have problem digesting one of these, but she also could be unable to digest any of these too nutritious for her liver meat.
Oats always was considered a remedy in such cases. Chicken must be a free-range farm chicken, not a factory chicken (they feed them with antibiotics there, and very often dogs develop nasty alergies to anti-bodies chickens produce). Boil chicken for 15 minutes in a small amount of water, remove, and cook the oats in remaining bouillon. Remove all the bones and add chicken meat into hot stew. Add spring onions while it is still hot. Later, if you see she takes it well, you can add apples, carrots, beets, pasnips and tomatoes. It is better to use oats as a grain, not a cereal. Well cooked rice could be used for change. Further in the course you will use raw chicken, chicken with bones in two months (just read on Internet which chicken bones are unsafe). If she gets better, you can try white fish fillets, salmon fillets and other fish, all boiled. The rabbit you can shoot yourself (LOL).
 

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Funny, unlike what David is saying, I was going to suggest that a lot of GSDs are allergic to chicken. My dog did a lot better once I took him off all poultry.
And I thought onions were toxic to dogs!
What are you feeding?
 

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I was doing raw, but it didn't help. Feeding Natures domain fish, to see if it was an allergy issue. Have also tried Honest kitchen. No change.
 

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Oh, man. I feel for you. The digestive issues are a constant concern around here.
I felt like beating my head against the walls a lot of the time until I found a formula that works. Sometimes I would find something that worked for a while, only to get soft stools again and to have to go back to square one.
Have you tried pumpkin and probiotics?
Also, green tripe?
 

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Lamb hearts with bark weat - once a week; salmon with rice - once a week; and chicken with oats - the rest of the week days. She has pork vetebras as a second meal, or capelins. All meat I add to cooked grain is raw, but I cook fish. A very dark thought was crossing my mind when she was younger (she is 2 and 7 now), but, gradually, she got better and she gobbles everything now. Forgot: I buy her cottage cheese and goat milk from the local farm when I go by there. The poultry you fed your dog, probably, was the poultry I just have warned of. It is not difficult to obtain your supply of true farm chickens from a small farm if you live in a rural area. They do not have a large number of chickens, they are not afraid of loosing them to desease, so, they simply don't bother to put all these horrid additive into their chicken's food. The story is different with big chicken factories.
 

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Seemed to help...

I just found what is working with my Zena (1.5 yo). I believe it has been a combination of chicken/egg allergy and yeast overgrowth from antibiotics. I got her off the "good" dog food that had potatoes/starch listed as top 5 ingredients and switched to Orijen fish and beef combo. (Evo had recalls.)

I also started giving her enzymes (nzymes.com) and yogurt at both meals. With this combo I have really seen improvement. The itching is very little now and her coat is coming in nicely. She's eating well and has possibly gained a pound or two. Her poop is normal now also.

I guess you just have to keep trying something until you find the right combo. That's what I had to do.
 

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Also - the diets shouldn't swap too frequently. Try for a week, at least. Her stomack needs time to get used to. That is why, for an adult dog with his/her stable and unchanged diet, it is not recommended to change it - it may cause diarrhea, hard stool and indigestion. Actually, the same is for humans. All these dieting, you know... The consequences could be disastrous.
 

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When i swap foods I usually try for a month or so. And with the pasture raised organic chicken, I couldn't afford that. It's insanely expensive here.

Plan for now is:

The antibiotic and round of panacur vet wants to do.

Digestive enzymes as a trial

Probiotics

HK perfect form

Keep food the same for now. Eventually I want to get back on raw. But I just need to figure this out first.

And see how it goes from there. Ill adjust or change things as needed after a couple weeks of this^.

Thank you all. Will keep you updated.


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Capone , it sounds like you have a good plan, I'd stick with that for a bit, see how it goes.

No expert on foods here, but I would not feed onions to my dog, toxic. Unless your getting advice from an expert in the field, well I'd take some info with a grain of salt, if you get my drift:)

I also had a dog who did not agree with chicken,
 

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Just want to add that oats/oatmeal are contradicted with IBS...

Double boil "white" rice (2x water, 2x cooking time) and use starch water to help firm up and sooth inflamed tissues

Slipper elm tea or capsules too, but do abx. first, when done do slippery elm.
 

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Angus tested negative for EPI several times, including one negative test from a specialist. It wasn't until we took him up to Tufts that he tested positive. I wouldn't discount the possibility of EPI from one negative test.
 

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Angus tested negative for EPI several times, including one negative test from a specialist. It wasn't until we took him up to Tufts that he tested positive. I wouldn't discount the possibility of EPI from one negative test.
Wow really?! Well if this continues with no resolve after the meds I will def consider going through some where else. I would hope that is very rare though.




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