[lone Ranger]

Hello from Down Under,

Long time no posting... My Raw Meat diet Male is 45 kg and 6 years old now. Very low (good) hip and elbow score.. GREAT DOG!!

Anyway, there are a lot of bad stories about the Bravecto flea and tick pills, Fluranlaner. I cannot make a judgement on whether it is just coincidence or small percentage reaction, but some attribute the death of their beloved animals to the oral version of this. I cannot tell if it is actually causal or coincidence or what...

My question is: What is the opinion of the six month treatment Spot-On version...???

It failed for lack of data in the European control... What is the opinion of it here? I trust this Forum more than the Vets, as they are sponsored by the puppy chow or dog foods, or in this case possibly Bravecto.

Thank you, loving my Dog, and have the original Bitch as well, my Daughter has her.. Both have far better than normal hip and elbow Xray scores, that I attribute to the raw meat diet for their first year...

Kind Regards, lone Ranger

 

[MaggieRoseLee]

Think you really need to work with your vet on this, so many options out there now. I know I use a topical on my dog and never had problems. If you are still in contact with your breeder can they help? Some of the problems and bad reactions can run in different lines with different breeds so they may have some input that would help.

 

[huntergreen]

MRL, what do you use ? Thanks

 

[Dunkirk]

I use Nexgard, a chew treatment. I prefer a chew to a spot on treatment as my dog likes to get wet.


From the Bravecto site:



How soon after using Bravecto spot-on* can my dog swim or be bathed?

While the product should be dry within 24 hours it is not recommended to wash or allow the dog to swim within 3 days after treatment

 

[lone Ranger]

The Vets are Sponsored by the Treatments.... and the dog food they promote.... They are not mean, just not informed outside of the normal education facilities as to Commercialism..

It is not necessarily in the GSDs best interests.

I have 20 years raising GSDs and watched my King Shepherd die of cancer due to allergenic reactions of the dog food like hot spots, ears, excess shedding and so on... Like Puppy Chow, it makes the GSD grow too fast too quickly, before the one year it takes for their joint sockets to harden up and not stretch out. We are responsible for about 96% of the hip and elbow dysplasia. All meat diet for the first year is the answer. I have tested it over years. Our GSD Society will not allow Registered Breeding without a score under 26. They hope to get the whole society down to 16 or less. My Dog was x-rayed and graded to a 5, the Female was xrayed and graded a 7. The meat diet is the best, but you will not find many Vets that even know this, as they are all Sponsored by different dog food Companies to push their products in their shops and offices. So no, do not necessarily go on what your Vet says...

Now six years on my male GSD, is intelligent, sedate, never hyper, and no health problems or sign of any dysplasia. I am hoping he lives well into his teens. Per my reports on this Forum, on the raw food diet some GSDs are living to 16 and longer... My boy is on his favorite dog food Black Hawk Lamb and Rice version, and meat like beef and chicken and lamb and soft bones. You can read about it on this Forum.

I was hoping someone here had real time experience with this Bravecta spot-on six month treatment for fleas and ticks. The oral variety is reported to have killed many, at least according to their Owners. It could have been an allergenic reaction of of some other casual form.

Anyway, any input on spot-on ???

Best regards from Australia... lone Ranger, out on the Last Frontier

 

[Dunkirk]

Here are some user reviews:


https://www.productreview.com.au/p/bravecto.html

 

[Magwart]

I think your thread may not be getting much traction because it doesn't make sense for those of us in the U.S. (and probably Canada too) who are familiar with Bravecto. Your thread title refers to "Bravecto Spot On," a product that isn't sold here. In the U.S., Bravecto is a CHEW that works for THREE months. So you must have some other product sold under that name in Australia. I've known a few dogs who tolerated the CHEW very well, but it sounds like that's not the product you're talking about.

I'm not aware of any 6-month spot-on flea control in the U.S. currently. We honestly probably don't have many users here with experience with 6-month spot-on flea products. There's a 6-month heartworm prevention injection, but that's a different thing. The closest we have in the U.S. are probably the newer 9-month collars (like Seresto and Scalibor). There are lots of threads about those -- most people seem to think they work, a few whose dogs swim a lot find them less effective.

The one product sold globally that I really like is sold under the name Advocate in Australia (Advantage Multi in the U.S.). It's a monthly spot-on that works on fleas, most intestinal parasites, and heartworms. It's highly effective in my area, and after using it in several hundred dogs in our dog rescue, I've not seen any troubling side-effects.

Please be cautious about assigning "blame" for cancer. Many cancers are turning out to have a genetic component -- hemangiosarcoma is one that looks like it probably is carried in the genes, based on some early-but-still-ongoing research. The genes likely have to be turned "on" (and might be capable of being turned "off"), but there's nothing definitive yet that proves that any particular thing (parasite control, kibble, etc.) turns them "on" in dogs, though the KetoPet Sanctuary is doing some interesting, and very valuable research in trying to turn them "off." I have a severe allergy dog who's been raw fed for years, who is also a melanoma survivor (now living cancer free so far!!!)...so this is something I read and think about a lot -- I want to go beyond unsupported Internet theories and scare tactics, and spend time following people doing actual high-quality research.

I don't know anything about the veterinary industry in Australia, so I cannot comment on your assertion about "sponsorship." In the U.S., drug companies do not "sponsor" vets. Most vets here are poorly paid relative to the amount of student loans they're carrying, but they're in the profession because they're deeply dedicated to their patients. I know several vets whom I consider to be personal friends -- ethical, compassionate, good people. Maybe you can find a professional like that in your country who is worthy of your trust to talk with about the science underlying your theories? My vets want to talk with me about what I'm reading, and they always have interesting perspectives about study design, p-values, and confounding variables. Even our vet oncologist was totally willing to look at anything I found in my own research to help me assess its quality.