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Hey all. So I had Harmony's hips x-rayed about 3months ago when she was spayed because she seemed to be favoring her right hip slightly. The x-ray's showed what the doctor described as the beginnings of HD in her right hip and that by the time she was 5 or 6 it would be pretty severe.

So I put her on Dasuquin and now three months later she's visibly limping and panting from the pain. The doctor put her on Deramaxx about two weeks ago which really doesn't seem to be having any affect on her and they want to take another set of x-rays.

I'm just not sure what I should be doing for her and I'm a little stressed about it to say the least. Before I got her hips x-rayed I hadn't even realized it could present in a dog so young.

So I'm taking her back into the vets this week and I really want to sit down and discuss our options. Any advice that you all may have would be incredibly helpful. I've done a lot of research on Esther-C and I'm liking what I've read. My question is what else is out there if anything.

Oh final note it's definitely the HD that is the problem here she's had two blood panels done in the past 3months as well as a fecal and she was tested for lyme's and heartworm. Sorry to be so long winded!! Thanks for reading.
 

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I would look into surgery if she's having those kinds of problems.

Rafi has HD and I have him on Springtimes Inc's Longevity and Ester C. I saw a HUGE difference before and after the supplements. Now you can't even tell he has a problem, before it was quite obvious.

And...WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF OUR LITTLE MONSTER PUPPY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
 

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Quote:I would take her to an orthopedic specialist.
I agree to get more x-rays and a second opinion at the least.

In the meantime, have you been able to keep her lean? And can she do any exercise at all, like swimming. Every pound puts more pressure on whatever the problem is. And any muscle can take the pressure OFF the joints by adding support.

And by 'lean' I do NOT mean 'the vet says she's a good weight'. I really mean that hourglass figure with an indent behind her ribs if you are standing above her. And a definite tummy tuck in her abdomen when you are looking at her from the sides.

Also, there are studies showing Esther-C can help (too bad you couldn't have started awhile ago with this). Some info on:

http://www.tropicokennels.com/vitamin_c.htm

Make sure you contact your breeder. If it is HD, it's a genetic condition they need to know about to prevent a repeat breeding. Maybe able to give help and assistance in relation to the other pups in the litter and what's up with them. Particularly if is may NOT be HD, but something like a late bout of Pano (click here for info) or some other condition they see in their dogs.
 

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I've got Gracie on cosequin ds, ester - c and fish oil. Her OFA prelims showed mild HD but her finals were much better and passed with OFA fair.

I would get a second opinion. I went to the vet for Gracie limping and being in pain. He said either cruciate ligament tear in her knee or hip problems. I went for a second opinion and they said positive on the knee. She has been resting, no stairs, no jumping, no training
and on Rimadyl 50 mg twice a day. I have seen great improvement in a week.

You're in Frederick? A little far for UPenn but always worth the trip - cheaper than surgery! Not sure who is down there for specialty.

Pano, as Cherri said, is an option, it was my thought, but 2 years old is really a bit old - I personally have only seen reports up to about 14 months, but I'm no expert.
 

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take her to a respected orthopedist. best decision you can make.
 

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Thanks guys for the quick replys. I spoke to my vet on the phone just now and she is saying that I should really be looking into a hip replacement. She told me to check into Virginia tech.

I'm definitley keeping her thin, she has a pronounced dip after her ribs and you can feel each rib clearly although you can't see any of them.

Any idea on how to go about finding a place for her to swim? The best I've been able to do as far as excersize is lots of leash walking and some low impact stairs which I have read was good for the joints.

I'll definitley discuss the pano angle with my vet next time we speak. Also she said that the reason the Deramaxx may not be working is just that it might not be the correct anti-inflammatory for her. She said maybe trying a different brand could be beneficial?
 

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Walking through shallow water is even better than swimming. A 30-36 inch high kiddie pool is great.

My dog had a cementless hip replacement in Annapolis, MD. PM me for the surgeon's name. He is conservative and not 'cut happy', as some surgeons tend to be.
He did a fantastic job on my dog's surgery. He came highly recommended by all those I spoke to.
 

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Just a thought...you might want to think about putting Tyr on supplements as a preventative since he is Harmony's son.
 

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meticam, derramax, rimadyl and previcox could all be used for HD pain. Some seem to work better with different dogs. they each have their own "concerns". previcox is supposed to be easiest on the stomach. meticam is a miracle drug for some dogs. consider trying a different med. call the orthopedist now. there is generally a long waiting list for the really good ones.

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I forgot to suggest a good supplement as well. I use Glycoflex III for Emma from Vetri-Science and am having awesome results with it. I found a vendor on Amazon.com with really good prices.

Cherri
 

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I also like Glycoflex III. For pain we use Adequin. It is a bit pricey but less side effects the the before mentioned which didn't work on my dog anyway.
 

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If it comes to surgery, I would ask my vet about the different types and why each type does or does not make sense. There is one where they clean off the head of the bone, there is one where they cut the tendons, there is the full hip replacement, there may be another.

Then I would go to an orthopoedic specialists armed with my questions and x-rays. Make them explain your options and why each makes sense or does not make sense for your dog's case.

If I was still concerned, I would go to another specialist -- not until you are happy with what they are saying, but rather until you are getting consistant answers.

There is no reason why your dog may not be going through pano AND have HD. The HD may not be causing the problem. If the problem is temporary, you may have many good years before ANY surgery. If you do surgery now, you may have to perform another surgery down the line.

I am sorry you are going through this. I wish I could say that you should trust your vet. On the one hand, I would feel better with the dog seeing someone who specializes in joints and sees a lot of them. On the other hand your own vet knows you and may not be looking at you with dollar signs attached to your name. The only way people get good at this is by practicing, not sure if they practice every chance they get though. Use everything in your power to find someone well-respected.

Good luck.
 

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I've worked as a vet tech for quite a few years and have a 12 year old shepherd myself with arthritis. In addition to giving joint supplements and adequan injections, I tried Rimadyl, Etogesic, and Metacam as NSAIDs, the Metacam worked the best for her it is different for every dog. Though I was extremely skeptical about this idea, the Dr. that I worked for did a lot of acupuncture, so I figured since I didn't have to pay for it, it was worth a shot. I AM A BELIEVER!!!!! We did it frequently to start then weaned back to less frequently and it made worlds of difference. We were even able to take her off the NSAIDs which is better for her organs and for my pocketbook! Even though I no longer work there and now I have to pay for it, we still go and sit with our needles. It's worth a shot, I noticed the improvement very quickly. Next time I have an orthopedic problem, I'm seeking acupuncture for myself!
 

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Thanks so much for all of the support you guys. I am currently doing my research on supplements other than Dasuquin. I have just started Harmony on the Esther-C, so my vet wants to wait a week or two before switching her of off the derramax. We are also discussing the adequan. We have been discussing the other surgical options as well but my vet and the few others I've spoken with all agree that due to her young age a complete hip replacement would be the best move for her.

Tyr will be going on a supplement as well as soon as I find the one I feel most comfortable giving him. Thanks so much again guys!! Oh and I'll definitely be looking into a kiddie pool. I didn't realize that that would work.
 
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