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We've had Duke for 3 years. We've always referred to him as a GSD but he's always been small. He's around 40lbs sometimes a little above or below but always around that. I've always thought that it was because whoever had him for the first year of his life didn't take care of him. When we found him he was 32lbs and very skittish. Anyway, lately I've been wondering if he's a GSD at all. What's your opinion?












Two of those pictures are after he was splashing around in puddles in the backyard!!


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In the first picture, he looks like an American line. In the others, based on the shape of his head and his size, he might have something else mixed in like Samoyed. He's still a GSD. I have one on the small side that we rescued and when we are out, people are always arguing over whether she is a purebred or not. She looks like one but she's smaller than average.
 

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He looks pure gsd in the first 3 pics. The other two looks like the shape of his head is off - but it may be because of his wet fur pushed up?? How much does he weigh?
 

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At his weight maybe he is a kelpie mix. We have a dog on our team that is similar but of uncertain origin..similar tan throat mix. Maybe some other kelpie or kelpie mix

The two breeds share a lot of similarities though kelpies tend to be a bit more independent and headstrong.
 

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I second kelpie for sure! stature and markings!

Samoyed?? they're huge and white and heavily coated.
 

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Thank you for your replies! I was looking into kelpie as an option. I think the ones at the bottom of my initial post are from a weird angle since I'm standing over him. Here a few more:










He's 40lbs. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to measure him but hes about 21" from the floor to his shoulder blade when he's standing.... He has a medium length coat and his tail is dense and thick.

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I've known some older lines of Heelers (Australian Cattle Dogs) that are black and tan. He reminds me of them, and they are significantly more common than Kelpies (at least in my area, maybe Kelpies are more common elsewhere?). In fact, he looks almost exactly like a black and tan version of our Heeler from the side. I do think he might have GSD in him though, because he looks more like that from the front. :confused:
 

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Looks like a GSD to me (and when cleaned up he looks real nice), colors very close to my girl Kyra (blanket back, black and tan).

She was 73 pounds last time she was weighed, looked lean but solid - maybe smallish for a shepherd but big head like yours (or is that from the camera position?). Maybe some working line blood? Can you up the food and exercise, or do you / your-vet think he's in a good weight range?

In any case, he's lucky you've got him now.
 

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His weight always worries me. We feed him more than our other dogs and we give him "treats" like chicken and veggies more than the other dogs but he still doesn't really gain any weight. I guess this is his natural weight. He's pretty active and doesn't seem weak so I'm sure that he's ok. The vet never seems worried. I still wish he would gain a little more weight though :(
 

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Samoyed?? they're huge and white and heavily coated.
One of Beowulf's old neighbor playmates was a Samoyed. They certainly aren't huge, and are actually pretty small. I think they look bigger than they really are due to their immensely fluffy coat. Here's the Samoyed breed standard on size from the Samoyed Club of America:

The recommended size for a male Samoyed is 21″ to 23-1/2″ high at the tip of the shoulder blade (withers), and for a female 19″ to 21″. A male in this height range weighs from 45 to 65 pounds and a female from 35 to 50 pounds.
 

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She was 73 pounds last time she was weighed, looked lean but solid - maybe smallish for a shepherd...
73 lbs is over the breed standard for a female GSD. The max weight is 70 lbs. So your girl certainly wasn't "smallish for a shepherd." Ha! My Nara is 24" and 77 lbs, and has been on a diet to get down to 70 lbs or under. She gets plenty of exercise (more than most dogs do!), and probably weighs closer to 70 now than 77. I haven't had her officially weighed in about half a year or longer, which was the last time she was at the vet.

General appearance:
The German Shepherd Dog is medium-size, slightly elongated, powerful and well-muscled, with dry bone and firm overall structure.

Male dogs:
Height at the withers: 60 cm to 65 cm (23.622" to 25.5906")
Weight: 30 kg to 40 kg
(66.1387 lbs to 88.1849 lbs)

Female dogs:
Height at the withers: 55 cm to 60 cm (21.6535" to 23.622")
Weight: 22 kg to 32 kg
(48.5017 lbs to 70.5479 lbs)
 

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^ interesting... I knew that I was exaggerating when I said huge (mostly in comparison of the OPs dog) but I certainly thought they averaged a bit larger. all I've known (4) have been in the 70-80 range, all males.
 

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OP - your dog certainly looks GSD in a most of the pics. But the size says something else in there. As long as he is healthy, I'd try to stop worrying about his size (and his breed).
 
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