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Hi please no harsh judgment....

My 5 month old GSD really likes to bite my 5 year old. If she's running through the house she chases her and grabs anywhere she can. She has scraped up her arms and even put holes in her clothes.

I would hate to keep her on a lead in the house but I think I'm running out of options. I always correct the dog and also ask my daughter not to run through the house screaming like a mad woman.

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andrea, you first need to control your child/children. this has some serious potential to become a dangerous problem. think of an eighty pound gsd taking chunk out of a child.
i would leash in the house and tie to myself and use a prong collar and give a correction right before the behavior starts. keep in mind you are dealing with a pup, so not to harsh a correction.
 

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I have a five year old and 2 young shepherds. Athena is 13 months and Sinister is 6 months. It is important you teach both the dogs and the kids how to interact with one another. Kids should be taught how to interact with a large dog. I sat my little boy down and explained to him that the puppy views him as another puppy when he flings his arms and screams and Sinister will play with him as a puppy. So I taught my son how to play appropriate with Sinister. Never to play chase game, or get down on the pups level, or be super boisterous. Noah my five year old now plays appropriate with the puppy. He love to play with the flirt pole (he says he is fishing for a puppy. LOL) and plays fetch. Sinister has now learned Noah is a human not a puppy. Also Include your kids in training. The pup should listen to all members of your family and so everyone should be included in training. Finally never leave children and pup unsupervised. Athena is the most kind hearted dog in the world but she doesn't know her own size and will knock over a kiddo trying to give them a kiss. A watchful eye is key to keeping everyone safe. Puppy and kids are notorious for forgetting their manners. Good luck with your puppy!!
 

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Do you know what a place command is Andrea? You teach her to lay in a place and not get up. I like to use a little distance from my kids to make it easier in the beginning and for one dog I used a box about 8" tall. They aren't allowed to chase the kids.

Everything becomes training. Never loose around the kids. You can't do this randomly. At 5mos, she should be able to stay in a place for 5mins, on leash, with you sitting right there. Then put her away. I use a crate in the family room so they're still with the family. Exercise and play separate of this and away from the kids. Once she can control the impulse to chase the kids, re-introduce them with both behaving calmly, but always remember obedience around the kids.
 

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I had this same issue with my pup when he was younger...it's pretty typical of GSD's or any dog with prey drive. My puppy was 12 weeks old or so, I put a drag line on him, next time my son ran by and he got excited I stepped on the line and his momentum corrected himself. He was little, so it only took two or three times with a "no!" command and it was done. With a 5 month old who has been self reinforcing this behavior by doing it over and over, you may need a higher punishment. I might put a pinch on a five month old (my dog was almost 60 pounds at 5 months), put the drag line on, and step on it when he jumped, allowing the momentum to correct himself. If you're all against the pinch on a "baby," you could put the drag line on him and give a swift backwards correction along with the momentum of him jumping, and give the "no" command. You don't need to over do it, your timing has to be just right, and you have to be consistent.

This is something I corrected/fixed as soon as I saw it, because I knew it would just get worse as the dog got older and bigger. You can't stop kids from running and yelling, it's what they do. My dog learned quickly and at a very young age, it was unacceptable for him to jump on kids.

I'm all about teaching a "place" command, and upping obedience. However, in this situation I want the dog to know that the behavior is unacceptable. I can't teach that jumping in a highly aroused state (chasing a squealing/laughing kid), is unacceptable by just putting the dog in his spot. I wanted him to know that it is NOT okay. Like I said, it was clear, concise, and we haven't had an issue since.

I have this funny picture of him jumping straight up next to my son, without touching him at all, but licking his face. He figured out he wasn't allowed to "touch" my son, so he'd jump straight up in the air NEXT to him and lick his face. In the picture you can see his feet are tucked up so he doesn't hit my son. Now he's tall enough that he can just walk by and lick his face lol. These dogs are too dang smart. :)
 

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Hi Andrea-- This a serious situation considering the size of the dog in the future. When my two children were small, the child went to their room with inappropriate behavior toward the dog(s). I had 100 pound dogs. My children are in their thirties and confirmed dog people today and have referenced with pride how their mother taught them many, many skills in raising dogs. a
And they learned that many things are not the dogs fault. One huge rule was a dog can NEVER chase you.

Next, the dog has to learn how to stay on a "rug." My 9 week GSD puppy learned this immediately after I got him this spring, as sometimes I had meetings each week for months after school that went on for hours. I went home got the dog (seven minutes) and brought him to meetings with more than thirty people. I had a bully stick, a rug, treats, and a determination that a dog MUST learn to stay in place quietly. People raved about how quiet and well behaved my pup was. I said, "Yes, he's a German Shepherd--it's his JOB to obey."

I teach second grade. Decide what your expectations are and go for it. What I have outlined are reasonable developmentally for both your daughter and the dog. Good luck!!
 

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I had this same issue with my pup when he was younger...it's pretty typical of GSD's or any dog with prey drive. My puppy was 12 weeks old or so, I put a drag line on him, next time my son ran by and he got excited I stepped on the line and his momentum corrected himself. He was little, so it only took two or three times with a "no!" command and it was done. With a 5 month old who has been self reinforcing this behavior by doing it over and over, you may need a higher punishment. I might put a pinch on a five month old (my dog was almost 60 pounds at 5 months), put the drag line on, and step on it when he jumped, allowing the momentum to correct himself. If you're all against the pinch on a "baby," you could put the drag line on him and give a swift backwards correction along with the momentum of him jumping, and give the "no" command. You don't need to over do it, your timing has to be just right, and you have to be consistent.

This is something I corrected/fixed as soon as I saw it, because I knew it would just get worse as the dog got older and bigger. You can't stop kids from running and yelling, it's what they do. My dog learned quickly and at a very young age, it was unacceptable for him to jump on kids.

I'm all about teaching a "place" command, and upping obedience. However, in this situation I want the dog to know that the behavior is unacceptable. I can't teach that jumping in a highly aroused state (chasing a squealing/laughing kid), is unacceptable by just putting the dog in his spot. I wanted him to know that it is NOT okay. Like I said, it was clear, concise, and we haven't had an issue since.

I have this funny picture of him jumping straight up next to my son, without touching him at all, but licking his face. He figured out he wasn't allowed to "touch" my son, so he'd jump straight up in the air NEXT to him and lick his face. In the picture you can see his feet are tucked up so he doesn't hit my son. Now he's tall enough that he can just walk by and lick his face lol. These dogs are too dang smart. :)
To this point exactly. My Boxer loved to do a running sprint and use my chest for a spring board!!! At 65 pounds (girl) that kinda hurt! We worked on it! I would sweep my arm and she would spin in the air at chest level??

Not exactly what I was looking for but...good enough! :)
 

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Nothing like a running human...especially munchkin size to evoke a herding dog's innate attributes.

Nothing that can't be fixed over time....but I'd start with the screaming running kid ...sounds like too much sensory stimulation for your pooch to be able to calm the herder in her....who can blame her..she's a pup.

At least, take away the option for her to want to herd and nip.

With my last GSD, when my nieces and nephews would come over and want to play with the pup in the yard...I'd first tell them.." Do not run away from the dog because....."..of course they did and they would get herded...the move I liked the best was the pup putting a hip check on the punks and down they'd go...allowing the pup to round up the others. The kids kind of learned but I helped them...next time I told them " Please make sure you run from the dog and scream while doing so"....amazing...nieces and nephews didn't run away.

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Hi please no harsh judgment....

My 5 month old GSD really likes to bite my 5 year old. If she's running through the house she chases her and grabs anywhere she can. She has scraped up her arms and even put holes in her clothes.

I would hate to keep her on a lead in the house but I think I'm running out of options. I always correct the dog and also ask my daughter not to run through the house screaming like a mad woman.

Any suggestions????


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My pup did this too. I told my kids that they are not to run in the house. It's easier to stop your kids from doing thing then the dog :D my youngest is 6 and yes she like to run and have the dog to chase her. So I got a flirt pole and have her play with him that way. Also, the only thing that got my dog to stop biting is a smack on his muzzle with my finger. Now, all I have to do us tell him no and point my finger at him and he stops. This works well also when he tries to chase my cat. :D point, say no, and he walks away.

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I had this same issue with my pup when he was younger...it's pretty typical of GSD's or any dog with prey drive. My puppy was 12 weeks old or so, I put a drag line on him, next time my son ran by and he got excited I stepped on the line and his momentum corrected himself. He was little, so it only took two or three times with a "no!" command and it was done. With a 5 month old who has been self reinforcing this behavior by doing it over and over, you may need a higher punishment. I might put a pinch on a five month old (my dog was almost 60 pounds at 5 months), put the drag line on, and step on it when he jumped, allowing the momentum to correct himself. If you're all against the pinch on a "baby," you could put the drag line on him and give a swift backwards correction along with the momentum of him jumping, and give the "no" command. You don't need to over do it, your timing has to be just right, and you have to be consistent.

This is something I corrected/fixed as soon as I saw it, because I knew it would just get worse as the dog got older and bigger. You can't stop kids from running and yelling, it's what they do. My dog learned quickly and at a very young age, it was unacceptable for him to jump on kids.

I'm all about teaching a "place" command, and upping obedience. However, in this situation I want the dog to know that the behavior is unacceptable. I can't teach that jumping in a highly aroused state (chasing a squealing/laughing kid), is unacceptable by just putting the dog in his spot. I wanted him to know that it is NOT okay. Like I said, it was clear, concise, and we haven't had an issue since.

I have this funny picture of him jumping straight up next to my son, without touching him at all, but licking his face. He figured out he wasn't allowed to "touch" my son, so he'd jump straight up in the air NEXT to him and lick his face. In the picture you can see his feet are tucked up so he doesn't hit my son. Now he's tall enough that he can just walk by and lick his face lol. These dogs are too dang smart. :)
Nice pic!!! You have a awesome smart boy :D

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Oh we redirect her when she starts to give chase. We also redirect the kids so they're not running and screaming. And if she is just chasing the kids not trying to bite them we let them have fun with it no harm is the kids helping her get rid of energy. She just has moments where she can be mouthy still.

My 5yr old will instantly cry when Lucie bites even if it's just a play bite. It's hard making sure everyone is playing nice and getting along.


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Oh we redirect her when she starts to give chase. We also redirect the kids so they're not running and screaming. And if she is just chasing the kids not trying to bite them we let them have fun with it no harm is the kids helping her get rid of energy. She just has moments where she can be mouthy still.

My 5yr old will instantly cry when Lucie bites even if it's just a play bite. It's hard making sure everyone is playing nice and getting along.


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I would let the kids run with the flirt pole then . So if the dog wanted to bit, he could bite that instead of the kid =)

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