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Hello all :)

I have a 5-month-old white GSD who goes by the name of Sascha.
Sascha also has a stepbrother called Cloud who is also 5 months old.

Sascha seems to be the alpha.. or is she a bully..? I’m not sure.. although I do think it may be the latter.
If Cloud is walking through the door, she will push him out of the way and straight past him.
If Cloud is getting a pat or being played with – she has to intervene and will literally put herself in the way of you and he, so that you can’t pat him. Most of the time she does this by jumping up at you which is fairly annoying!! Either that or she will give him a nip and the (play?)fighting starts.
If Cloud has a stick she will take it off him and run away with it. However if he DARES to take a stick off her, she will fight with him for a few seconds and it is CERTAINLY not playfighting judging by the teeth and noises.
However if you throw HER a stick, she will fetch it and then run around in front of his nose with it as if boasting “Look what I’ve got that you haven’t!!!”

Cloud’s playing abilities aren’t quite there 100% either and he looks quite frightened/miserable sometimes by from her boisterousness and bossyness.
(His ‘breeders’ (just a couple that had bred their huskies.. not real breeders) had asked us to pick him up at 6 weeks old. We had refused and said we would come at 8 weeks, as I know it is crucial for their development to socialise with their siblings etc. I suspect that his siblings were taken away at 6 weeks and he was left by himself and possibly even ill-treated by the ‘breeders’ as he is not quite sure how to play sometimes, and is very flinchy. I really feel for him when Sascha is being a bully towards him).

I know that some of this is just play, as they both take turns doing the bowing and sometimes she even tries to make him chase her by looking at him and then pretending to run away (very cute to watch!!) – but he always seems to be in the background to Sascha which I really don’t like as I love them both very much. I guess I just worry that he feels unloved and that Sascha is favoured more (since it is fairly impossible to give him pats when she is around)!

Sorry for the big essay, this has been on my mind since we got them months ago and I just feel so sorry for him! :confused:


Thank you in advance if you take the time to reply :eek:
 

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Well from my experience the girl will always rough up the boy, nothing personal really but they play fight a lot! Another reason could be maybe cloud was the one picked on in his litter, the female was dominant as a puppy.

Just don't worry it is nothing serious, they will never hurt each other. And I bet if you were to separate them from each other they would be miserable! They love each other's company!
 

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I just wonder whether I should correct her and tell her no. Our husky just seems a lot more sensitive and loves to sit in your arms and have a cuddle whereas she wants to roll around in the mud and run around. Just different personalities maybe :)
 

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I just wonder whether I should correct her and tell her no. Our husky just seems a lot more sensitive and loves to sit in your arms and have a cuddle whereas she wants to roll around in the mud and run around. Just different personalities maybe :)
Yes of course, it's no big deal! unless you notice that things are getting out of hand and one dog is going to get hurt; For example, my cousin got a dog, about 3 weeks smaller than mine (big difference in size because they are puppies) My dog would run and rough up with him, with no intentions of hurting him though; just to knock him on the ground and stand above him as victorious and dominant!

But in the process i saw my dog biting his ears and pulling on his tails really rough, since they are of different ages their rough play will differ and most probably the little one will get hurt so i would just like yell NO numerous times at him to tone it down a bit.

The end result was them eating from the same bowl and sleeping next to each other with a little less rough play :D
 

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Thanks for the reassurance :) they sleep next to each other but I don't think they will be sharing food bowls anytime soon!
 

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It sounds like she is resource guarding, if she is, it will only get worse not better. If she is getting between you and the other dog, you are the object she is guarding.
 

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If it gets too bad or bothers you, you can step in. this is what I find works for me, at least right now.

Dexter our GSD 4 month old gsd puppy and my maltipoo were having some similiar issues. My maltipoo would have a toy or bone and walk back and forth in front of the gsd. At first i thought maybe he wanted to get chased (sometimes he does) but if I notice he growls at the gsd when the gsd goes over I take the toy or bone away from them. I do the same thing if its the gsd getting out of hand and flaunting.

I also make each of them stick with their own bone by keeping them separated or by not letting the gsd take it away form the maltipoo and vise versa. Same thing with the toys. I have a toy only the maltipoo can chase and a ball just for the gsd. that way if im playing with them together they know which one they can run after. Sometimes they do want the others toy and in that case I take it away from them and only the one that plays with the correct toy, can play.

The gsd can get rough with the maltipoo but i step in and tell him no and use the word gentle. Up to now he has been listening. It takes time and lots of effort and nothings perfect, just keep on them. A few weeks back I had a problem with my maltipoo and gsd had a little fight and people here said the maltipoo would never feel comfortable around the gsd again. That was not true, since I started rules with them,they are the best of friends now and sleep curled up next to each other.
i hope this works or others have more ideas. Let us know how it goes
 

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I should add that I have been teaching Dexter to wait his turn when being petted (he also used to knock the other dogs out of the way) by getting treats and treating the shih tzu, maltipoo and then Dex, shih tzu , maltipoo and then dex again while i told him to wait. I then treated shih tzu, maltipoo, shih tzu again and then Dex and so forth until he built up a wait.
Now when petting and he comes running in I tell him wait. he sits until i pet the other dogs. i think hes learned that wait means he will get a treat or petted but has to wait his turn.
 

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If it gets too bad or bothers you, you can step in. this is what I find works for me, at least right now.

Dexter our GSD 4 month old gsd puppy and my maltipoo were having some similiar issues. My maltipoo would have a toy or bone and walk back and forth in front of the gsd. At first i thought maybe he wanted to get chased (sometimes he does) but if I notice he growls at the gsd when the gsd goes over I take the toy or bone away from them. I do the same thing if its the gsd getting out of hand and flaunting.

I also make each of them stick with their own bone by keeping them separated or by not letting the gsd take it away form the maltipoo and vise versa. Same thing with the toys. I have a toy only the maltipoo can chase and a ball just for the gsd. that way if im playing with them together they know which one they can run after. Sometimes they do want the others toy and in that case I take it away from them and only the one that plays with the correct toy, can play.

The gsd can get rough with the maltipoo but i step in and tell him no and use the word gentle. Up to now he has been listening. It takes time and lots of effort and nothings perfect, just keep on them. A few weeks back I had a problem with my maltipoo and gsd had a little fight and people here said the maltipoo would never feel comfortable around the gsd again. That was not true, since I started rules with them,they are the best of friends now and sleep curled up next to each other.
i hope this works or others have more ideas. Let us know how it goes
Sounds like your GSD is fairly similar to my girl!
They are okay with bones and chews, although sometimes when our GSD’s back is turned from the bone, the husky will steal it and bury both of them teehee.

I have tried to play with them with different toys (so that they have a 'favourite' each). The GSD loooves to chase anything you throw.. whereas the husky watches you throw it and then looks at you like "..so now what do I do?". Therefore GSD will play with anything and everything, and the husky is very selective - at the moment he will only play with sticks - which the GSD will take off him. Just like a toddler, no matter what I give her to play with, as soon as he has something – she wants it and will take it. Not sure if I’ve been doing the right thing, but when she takes it off him I’ve been taking it off her and giving it back to him. Wonder if this annoys her?

Play just gets very rough very frequently. The GSD is the one to start rough play about 90% of the time. If husky gives GSD a playful nip.. she will NOT let it go and has to chase him and chase him and growl and bite the back of his neck. I know (hopefully) that this is just play – but sometimes they run around doing it and just don’t listen when I yell at them. As if their ears are closed when they are play fighting.

They cry when separated (very handy as we know if one has escaped their kennel at night!) and sleep snuggled up so I know they adore each other.



To be honest when she gets in the way of pats I usually push her away (as she always jumps up when he is trying to get pats) and tell her 'no' and try to continue patting him..
 

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It sounds like she is resource guarding, if she is, it will only get worse not better. If she is getting between you and the other dog, you are the object she is guarding.
I had wondered if she was a little possessive of me. When we had bought the dog, the agreement (although sounding silly) was that the GSD was mine and the husky was my partners. We literally paid for them seperatley and had agreed that if (god forbid) we went our seperate ways, she would be mine and he would be his. (Having agreed that in the past, I think it would break their hearts to be seperated now so we would probably have to come to a different solution if that ever happened!)

Therefore the GSD has always been 'my girl' and the husky is 'his boy'. We really do try to treat them equally, but the husky seems to have formed a much stronger bond with my partner, and I have done the same with Sascha. Perhaps she feels as though I am 'hers' and he is not allowed to get pats from me?
 

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This all sounds like very normal dog behavior to me, especially because they are both puppies. I would be worried if an older dog was getting too possessive or rough with a puppy, but two puppies? I wouldn't worry unless there is shrieking or other signs of real trauma going on.

Also, it is pretty normal for a pup to be possessive of parents and toys just like it is normal for a human toddler to act like that. Everything is MINE MINE MINE. They do grow out of much of that.
 

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She is resource guarding you when she refuses to let you pet him. Do not let her. Fiona does it when my mom's dog visits and I pet her. You own the dog, the dog does not own you. You need to correct her. Has she learned sit or down yet? I put Fiona in a down & stay so I can pet her sister.


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She is resource guarding you when she refuses to let you pet him. Do not let her. Fiona does it when my mom's dog visits and I pet her. You own the dog, the dog does not own you. You need to correct her. Has she learned sit or down yet? I put Fiona in a down & stay so I can pet her sister.


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She knows sit, down, leave. I feel that if I put her into any of these that she would just get up again. Perhaps just repeating it?
 

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She knows sit, down, leave. I feel that if I put her into any of these that she would just get up again. Perhaps just repeating it?

Also I hadn't mentioned that she doesn't get in the way 100% of the time. It is mostly when I let them out of their enclosure in the morning/when I get home from work. Its hard to be hard on her then as I'm always excited to see them both too ... :wub:
 

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I have the same type of behavior from my two GSDs (male 5mo female 1yr) I have a "place" in which is a dog bed for both to go and this is used for when I come in from work and I use the command place and they go to it until they calm down and I go say hi to each one. Also used for when company comes too. It took work to get it proofed but they do well with it. As far as the keep away goes it is normal. I trained in german so I use aus for the out or drop it command. I also have a place in the yard that I put one in if they don't seem to share at the time and play with the one while the other is laying in the place.

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It sounds like she is resource guarding, if she is, it will only get worse not better. If she is getting between you and the other dog, you are the object she is guarding.
She is resource guarding you when she refuses to let you pet him. Do not let her. Fiona does it when my mom's dog visits and I pet her. You own the dog, the dog does not own you. You need to correct her. Has she learned sit or down yet? I put Fiona in a down & stay so I can pet her sister.
I would heed this advice. Currently working on this with my Jack. I consider it unacceptable behavior, and correct/redirect it. Left unchecked, it can escalate.

They might grow out of it. I'm not experienced with puppies since I adopt adult dogs, so not an expert on puppy development. But, if they don't, you will soon have two 70+ lb dogs with some serious issues you'll need to manage. For safety's sake, I would train it out of my GSD earlier, rather than later.
 

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I would heed this advice. Currently working on this with my Jack. I consider it unacceptable behavior, and correct/redirect it. Left unchecked, it can escalate.

They might grow out of it. I'm not experienced with puppies since I adopt adult dogs, so not an expert on puppy development. But, if they don't, you will soon have two 70+ lb dogs with some serious issues you'll need to manage. For safety's sake, I would train it out of my GSD earlier, rather than later.

When I let them out this morning it was pretty bad. Our GSD Sascha seems to be in a bit of a bad mood today with Cloud (women!!).
There was a bit of a scuffle over food bowls - they had both finished and were sniffing each others' for any scraps (which they do every day and are fine).Turned my back and there was a lot of shrieking and barking for a few secs. Unsure who was telling who off.

Today is the first day that she has actually given me a nip on the elbow when I patted him instead of her!!! Told her off to which she went and sulked.

How are you teaching it out of Jack? Glad to know I'm not the only one!
 
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