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If you have to ask, don't do it yourself and find a very good decoy, which will be difficult because they are not that common and you won't know what to look for.
 

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Get a good decoy and let them do it. You will do more harm than good doing it yourself if you don't know what you are doing.
 

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Good decoys are pretty much non existent in this area so that’s not really an option.


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If you have to ask, don't do it yourself and find a very good decoy, which will be difficult because they are not that common and you won't know what to look for.
Yep, that response was exactly 0% helpful. Lol


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Where is your nearest club? I thought you were starting at one? I drive 3 hours each way to my trainers. if you develop that grip incorrectly you can spend the rest of the dog's life trying to fix it.
 

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The nearest club isn’t far at all. However they very rarely do bite work. The club has 0 helpers and they are struggling for membership. 3 hours wouldn’t be so bad. We’re talking more like 8 from what I’m seeing.


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ugh. Does that club have experienced people that can help you with the grip? It's entirely possible to do that base foundation work without a decoy if the training director knows what they are doing.
 

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My response is only helpful if you heed it. You will create more problems than you will solve by doing the bite work your self.
 

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The nearest club isn’t far at all. However they very rarely do bite work. The club has 0 helpers and they are struggling for membership. 3 hours wouldn’t be so bad. We’re talking more like 8 from what I’m seeing.


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I'm guessing your question is coming from you playing tug. Is your dog chewy or just soft mouthed?
 

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Where are you located? Maybe someone here will know of a good decoy that doesn't advertise. I have a great decoy less than an hour away. If it wasn't for word of mouth within the IGP people around here, I would never know he existed, or was so close.
 

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Coming from personal experience, if my dog naturally did not show the bite I was looking for, I would be hesitant to even try to develop the bite without the knowledge and expertise of a helper or trainer who knew how to work the dog in front of them. When it's done wrong, you end up with a crappy, depressing bite that leaves you wondering why you're in the sport. If you have someone take their time, build the dog up properly, and create the best picture the dog can offer, you might still be sorely disappointed but at least your dog is having fun and you are too.
 

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Well here’s an update. Full, firm grip. Only better from here. Genetically it is there. But some things have to be taught too and it can be done.



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What are your goals for your dog? There is so much more to grip development and setting a correct foundation than having a dog on a sleeve. One of the best ways to develop grip and laying a correct foundation is to use a leather bite pillow because the dog has to grip it hard or it is easily pulled out of the dog's mouth. The jute sleeve you are using makes it easier to grip because the dog's teeth get in between the jute threads which doesn't encourage the dog to hold on as much. Are you teaching a pushing or pulling bite? This depends on if you plan to do IGP or another sport or PP. That is just the tip of the ice berg.
 
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