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Frustrated or disappointed...not sure which applies, probably both!

As I've previously mentioned in another of my threads, I have a deposit for my next girl. I was #4 for a female. Well, the breeder just contacted me and informed me that only 3 females were born from 2 litters. So I lose out this time around :( She is expecting another litter or 2 during the summer, but no way can I go without for the summer months. Bad enough I've been with out for the last 2 months, but to have to wait until the end of the summer isn't something I want to go through. She did mention that she has plans in the works to import GSD pups next month and she states she has experience getting pups from this overseas breeder in the past. At face value...I'm not sure if I should proceed with this option since I know nothing about getting an imported pup. Meaning pros and cons.

Meanwhile, I've started searching again. I've reached out to a few breeders and heard back from 2. One is in Indiana, that is listed at 'PuppySpot'. 1st thought is I'm not going through what I did with Marley so naturally I'm hesitant with buying over the web. However, PuppySpot does have some impressive credentials (IMO) and backs the health for 10 yrs. Price is acceptable @ $2400 and includes shipping to here in CT. Based on the pics I've received and reviewing the contract, I'm interested. But... ??

Next is a breeder from Ma, just outside of Boston. He has a 10 week old Black/Tan female with her pedigree history. This breeder has some impressive reviews on Facebook if they're sincere. Plus this breeder needs to interview me in person and would travel to my home with the pup, not that I couldn't drive there. If I meet his criteria, which I'm confident I'll exceed, he'll leave the pup with me after payment...which is the only negative...$4K GULP!! I was hoping to keep the price at $2500 max.

Before I continue to ramble on and on, I'll stop here. If any of you have any suggestions or comments by all means let me hear them. You folks have helped me avoid problems in the past and hoping for some words of wisdom again. One thing I will stress...I don't want to make a decision based on emotions, but it seems that I'm heading there again. There are a boatload of BYB's out there which I want no part of. But finding a reputable breeder within driving distance from CT seems to be challenging so far.

Thanks in advance!
 

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Now that I've read some more reviews about the Boston area breeder, having 2nd thoughts. Think I'll pass on him now.
 

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I'm sure you've told us what you were looking for in a pup. One question I have is Why female? the other would be What do you intend to do with the pup - sport for fun or competition - general obedience competition for fun - What's the dog's job going to be besides "hang out"?


So far with pups I've been lucky as the right pup was available at the right time even when I was prepared to wait several months. I have no idea what I'll do or how it will work out when the time comes for the next pup. So basically not much help.



And Why does it have to be within driving distance of CT? I've flown out to get a pup and flown her back. I've driven 1000 miles to get a pup. My experience with CT = driving distance = not very far at all. So look further maybe?




I would caution you 'though to not let the time factor push your decision - ie try not to start feeling desperate. Look until you find the pup that feels right.
 

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Sorry about the run around you are getting, that can be super frustrating. I just went through the puppy buying process and it can be a lot to filter through everything and find a breeder that meets your needs.

What exactly are you looking for in a GSD? If you let us know what you're wanting, members here may be able to suggest kennels that fit.
 

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Hard to put in words other than after having 3 girls, I find their personality to be more fitting to my tastes. A friend had a male, so I somewhat know about the male side. But in all honesty, my heart is with a female and that's what I want at this time. When the time comes to add the 2nd dog that I so much want as well, that one will be a male. I say that because I don't want to say that I outright don't want a male, just not at this time.
 

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I overlooked a question you had...my intentions for a GSD, like my previous girls is companion, security alarm and alarm clock:) seeing the progress of my training results, keeps me active, etc. There something mystical about a female GSD for me and nothing can take its place. Again...hard to put in words, but for sure one could say I'm addicted to the breed.



As for travel...not really interested in flying anymore. I drove 5+ hrs to PA for Marley, so I can handle reasonable amount of driving. Plus after spending a serious amount trying to save Marley, my funds are limited.
 

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I have to head out for awhile, so I'll return later. But there is one thing that I'm really most concerned with and that is the pups health. I realize nothing in life is guaranteed, but is asking for a healthy pup that can be reasonably verified, asking that Much? It seems to me several of these people want you to take there word for it, which is not enough for me.



Or it could be that I'm paranoid after Marley's ordeal?
 

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One is in Indiana, that is listed at 'PuppySpot'. 1st thought is I'm not going through what I did with Marley so naturally I'm hesitant with buying over the web. However, PuppySpot does have some impressive credentials (IMO) and backs the health for 10 yrs. Price is acceptable @ $2400 and includes shipping to here in CT. Based on the pics I've received and reviewing the contract, I'm interested. But... ??

NO, NO PLEASE....... NOT PUPPY SPOT!!!!!!! :eek:

Please see this thread about PuppySpot: https://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/weekly-discussion-topics/751481-new-way-buy-puppy-2.html




Contact the breeder's that Jax08 suggested.


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Frustrated or disappointed...not sure which applies, probably both!...
...Before I continue to ramble on and on, I'll stop here. If any of you have any suggestions or comments by all means let me hear them. You folks have helped me avoid problems in the past and hoping for some words of wisdom again. One thing I will stress...I don't want to make a decision based on emotions, but it seems that I'm heading there again. There are a boatload of BYB's out there which I want no part of. But finding a reputable breeder within driving distance from CT seems to be challenging so far.
Thanks in advance!
What type of GSD are you looking for? Working or show lines? I wouldn't lock myself into a time frame because that is going to severely limit your options and increase the odds that you don't get what you want. You said you wanted a healthy female pup. Can you describe some other specific traits that you would like to see in your next dog? What are your goals for the dog? Jax8 wrote something about a list of breeders. Who are they. You should look for someone who is knowledgeable about the dogs they are breeding and also have some experience in training dogs IMO. You should be able to get a quality pup for $2,500. Then you have to consider what pick you get. There will be pups that are better or meet your expectations more than others. Being in a hurry and getting in on a litter at the last minute is likely going to decrease your chances of getting what you want. With my last dog, I had a deposit down before the parents were even bred. It sounds like you need to do a lot more narrowing down of the type of dog you want and more research on who is most likely to be able to meet your wants.
 

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A friend tried buying a $3500 silver sable pup from puppyspot and was not even allowed to speak with the breeder directly due to "privacy" reasons and he wasn't asked the typical questions by their puppy experts such as living environments for the pup too. He googled the company and found many negative reviews. Apparently lots of people ended up getting mixed breed pups, sick pups, and having their puppies not arriving on time, and when those people tried to contact puppyspot again for those after sale issues they didn't get the same speedy response they got before they made the purchase. Also read reviews on glassdoor made by the company's employees, some employees outright claimed their health guarantees are jokes and the executives spent lots on marketing and have a competitive sales bonus strategy that makes sales people send puppies to homes that shouldn't have puppies in order to get commissions. Beware of good reviews on glassdoor too, one employee said that the first good review he made of company on glassdoor was made while another employee watched him write the review and instructed him on what to write.
 

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I have to say I'm amazed. With a little bit of research on the breed and the difference between german shepherd lines, it shouldn't be that hard to find a good breeder! Everyone has a computer!!! Use it!!
 

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I have to say I'm amazed. With a little bit of research on the breed and the difference between german shepherd lines, it shouldn't be that hard to find a good breeder! Everyone has a computer!!! Use it!!

It's incredibly difficult to find a good breeder, and the bad ones dedicate much more time to developing websites and making sure they stay at the top of the searches.
When you get badly burned sometimes it's tough to trust your own judgement and more comfortable to ask for input.
 

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What happened to all the breeders I've suggested for you?
Sorry to leave so abruptly. I saw your post after my last post but was pressed for time and already late.


With one exception, I honestly don't remember who you suggested. But I still have an extensive list and they would be listed there. At that time I reviewed all the breeders I had and selected 3, 2 of who I visited. From those I selected one and gave the deposit. Thought I was golden.


As for the one exception, I thought that was a real possibility. But it may have been my insistence to not waiting all summer that could have been the downfall. Our conversing all of a sudden stopped. I did get a somewhat vague message a bit later in time, but by then I had already placed the deposit. We haven't spoken since and not sure if I should contact her again.
 

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NO, NO PLEASE....... NOT PUPPY SPOT!!!!!!! :eek:

Please see this thread about PuppySpot: https://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/weekly-discussion-topics/751481-new-way-buy-puppy-2.html




Contact the breeder's that Jax08 suggested.


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Thanks, my gut feeling was telling me to be very cautious. This was the 1st I heard of them and their website and sales pitch was very convincing. Which is why I mentioned them. When i asked about the Dam & Sire and their hips, elbows, and the DMA testing, I was told it would be included with the paperwork they send after I purchased the dog. There were other flags, but that one gave me reason to pause.



I'll be curious to read that thread you listed...thanks!
 

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You don't have to spend a ton of money for a nice dog..I live in CT, tho my dogs have come from other areas..In this area I suggest watcher engel, Von Hena C, Pia Blackwell, If your looking to adopt/rescue, Contact Redemption Rescue/ Tina Zinn in CT.
 

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What type of GSD are you looking for? Working or show lines? I wouldn't lock myself into a time frame because that is going to severely limit your options and increase the odds that you don't get what you want. You said you wanted a healthy female pup. Can you describe some other specific traits that you would like to see in your next dog? What are your goals for the dog? Jax8 wrote something about a list of breeders. Who are they. You should look for someone who is knowledgeable about the dogs they are breeding and also have some experience in training dogs IMO. You should be able to get a quality pup for $2,500. Then you have to consider what pick you get. There will be pups that are better or meet your expectations more than others. Being in a hurry and getting in on a litter at the last minute is likely going to decrease your chances of getting what you want. With my last dog, I had a deposit down before the parents were even bred. It sounds like you need to do a lot more narrowing down of the type of dog you want and more research on who is most likely to be able to meet your wants.
Actually I do know exactly what I want. I had previously spent a considerable amount of time researching and had visited 2 breeders. Unfortunately, had I made a decision the day I visited the breeder I chose, I would have been #2 on the list for females instead of #4 when I made the final decision a week later. After raising 3 girls from 8 weeks... 2 of those lived long healthy lives til 12+ yrs of age, and my recent girl who passed at 9 months, I learned alot and I could see the results of my experience in Marley. Made me really proud that I accomplished what I did in the short time I had her. I'm not as knowledgeable about the breed as many here are. But the experience I had with all 3 clearly defines (for me) what I want in a GSD.


So, to answer your questions:
WL or SL would suit my needs based on what I know about the 2. Unless I'm mistaken, with the WGSL, I stand a better chance of getting a large/thick bones dog. I know WL females are generally smaller in size, but I've seen SL with the large frames.

Working line is what my previous girls were, but this recent deposit was for a WGSL. The size of the Dam & Sire were very appealing to me and that's part of why I went this route.

To be specific...I want female and Black/Tan or Black/Red with a clean health history from the parents back a few generations. No exceptions, I'm firm with that much. Med to hi drive, leaning more towards Med drive though. But after raising Maggie who was full blown, out of control, off the walls High Drive:), I'd enjoy that experience again as I now know how to handle it. But being realistic and now that I'm older, med drive would be more suitable. I enjoy the challenges an energetic dog requires. Keeps you on your toes and alert. I also prefer a feisty lil witch lol as that trait seems to be a perfect match for me. I don't have any intentions of showing or competing, just a companion that will keep me sharp and active. In a way, a playmate for me since I spend most of my time home on my property. I enjoy the outdoors 24/7 and having a GSD at your side is an incredible experience, for me anyways.

From experience, when I see the dog I want, I'll know. That much I'm confident in. Not that I'm all about visual, but instead everything combined. For one, their eyes...as strange as it may sound , I can see and understand alot about a dog just by looking in its eyes. Next would be confidence, which is an important trait. Are the shy and timid or outgoing and willing to move forward without wavering. The latter would be my ideal. As for health, I was burned hard with my recent girl and it likely scarred me. In fact I'll admit to being a bit paranoid now. But it is what it is and I'll use my best judgement when it comes time. There are 2 breeders specifically that I would not hesitate to take one of their pups. So I do have a clue what I'm looking for health wise ;)

I do now realize that I may not get exactly what I want in time for summer, but that won't stop me from trying. I got caught up in emotions a couple times recently, and thankfully there are a few good folks here who made me see the light before I made the wrong decision. I do know right from wrong when selecting a GSD, but sometimes my desires take over.


Sorry for the long winded post, but maybe it'll give you and anyone else an idea of what I.m looking for. There are more specific traits, but I've said enough for now.
 

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You don't have to spend a ton of money for a nice dog..I live in CT, tho my dogs have come from other areas..In this area I suggest watcher engel, Von Hena C, Pia Blackwell, If your looking to adopt/rescue, Contact Redemption Rescue/ Tina Zinn in CT.
Thanks, I'll look into them. I am aware of 2 of those and one I was advised to stay away and she didn't seem to interested in selling any pups when I spoke with her. My local vet even recommended her. Don't want to bad mouth anyone, so I'll leave it at that.
 

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A friend tried buying a $3500 silver sable pup from puppyspot and was not even allowed to speak with the breeder directly due to "privacy" reasons and he wasn't asked the typical questions by their puppy experts such as living environments for the pup too. He googled the company and found many negative reviews. Apparently lots of people ended up getting mixed breed pups, sick pups, and having their puppies not arriving on time, and when those people tried to contact puppyspot again for those after sale issues they didn't get the same speedy response they got before they made the purchase. Also read reviews on glassdoor made by the company's employees, some employees outright claimed their health guarantees are jokes and the executives spent lots on marketing and have a competitive sales bonus strategy that makes sales people send puppies to homes that shouldn't have puppies in order to get commissions. Beware of good reviews on glassdoor too, one employee said that the first good review he made of company on glassdoor was made while another employee watched him write the review and instructed him on what to write.
Wow...admittedly I didn't look up any reviews for PS. First time I visited their site. It did initially come across as being legit and professional, but that didn't last long. They made it sound like it was the best place to get a dog and don't wait too long or the dog would probably get sold at that price.



I had a similar experience with asking about the breeder and was expected to accept the their word as being sufficient as far as the dogs health and testing. All I got was the dog was checked by a qualified vet head to tail and said to be healthy.
 

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https://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/members/456322-dabai.html@Momto2GSDs

I read the thread you mentioned and it left me shaking my head. Surprised it was so recent. Makes me wonder how many uniformed fall victim to an outfit like this. I almost did. They have a pretty convincing sales pitch going on, but that's about it. Places like this proves searching for a dog with a PC is not the end all answer. In fact I've found a couple breeders who act similar and expect you to just believe what they tell you. So glad a few flags went up for me and I was able to verify my hunch thanks to you and DaBai
 
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