[selzer]

Haha sorry I almost forgot about the OP's question. Sorry when I get side tracked it takes over. I would also have to agree with the working bloodlines, and mix. Czech is a good guess, but it seems as if the lines are too straight. It's as if the dog was bred in a rectangular box. Given the angles of the back and head shape the pup would seem to be a mix. Without anymore information it would be hard to speculate, but I must admit I like his appearance. He won't show, but that's fine because show GSDs are bastards of their breed.

I agree with most of your two posts. And welcome to the board.

Not sure what you mean about show GSDs being bastards of their breed. I mean, they can trace their ancestry. Are you opposed to German showline dogs, American showlines, British or Austrailian or Canadian Showlines, American Specialty showlines, or just all showlines in general.

Just a word to the wise though, we have members with showline dogs, and they feel their dogs are the best dogs just like working line people feel their dogs are the best dogs. You do not have to agree with them.

Just trying to coexist with the owners of the various types of dogs, because many of the issues that we discuss are the same regardless to what lines the dogs are.

 

[holland]

And sometime you might find that they are teaching you something-like how to show your dog-and they are welcoming to you-its nice-never knew I'd enjoy it

 

[Heagler870]

I agree with most of your two posts. And welcome to the board.

Not sure what you mean about show GSDs being bastards of their breed. I mean, they can trace their ancestry. Are you opposed to German showline dogs, American showlines, British or Austrailian or Canadian Showlines, American Specialty showlines, or just all showlines in general.

Just a word to the wise though, we have members with showline dogs, and they feel their dogs are the best dogs just like working line people feel their dogs are the best dogs. You do not have to agree with them.

Just trying to coexist with the owners of the various types of dogs, because many of the issues that we discuss are the same regardless to what lines the dogs are.

While I may not agree with your opinion on spay/neuter I definitely agree with these very wise words!!
:thumbup:

 

[JazzNScout]

I think he's a lovely dog. I don't promote backyard breeding, but I have to admit I've had a couple BYB dogs, and they were wonderful. (I don't know my Layla girl's background.)
As for spaying and neutering, talk to me about NOT doing it when "four million cats and dogs—about one every eight seconds—are NOT put down in U.S. shelters each year." People think purebred dogs aren't put down? They are fooling themselves.

 

[CaliBoy]

Heagler870: To me, that is a freakin gorgeous sire. He reminds me of a lot of working line dogs I have met, also dogs with DDR blood in them, as another poster (onyx?) already mentioned. In fact, he looks a lot like a police K-9 I met 10 years ago who was a German import. I'll bet your pup is going to be one very beautiful GSD--congrats! My favorite GSD's are black, with cream colored legs, and those red/honey colored eyes that some call "demon eyes" because in combination with the black head, make the dog look really scary.

 

[Heagler870]

Okay, I just got Riley's AKC paper's in and I did a little bit of research from pedigree database. It looks like Great grandpa, or great sire, However you want to say it was titled in SCHH3 and 34X IPO3 WUSV 3 TIMES Kkl 2. The name is Scott Von Haus Antverpa. Whatever that is. That is on Riley's dam's side. One of the Great Dams Ursel T Palmaleinehof was titled in 7X SCHH3, 10X IPO3, IWR3 Kkl 2.

On the Sire's side noone was titled or anything. I'm not sure exactly if the sire is American line or what. I can't find anything.

 

[lisgje]

I think he is beautiful! Would love it if I could have found an all black shepherd. Just stunning!

Yeah this thread did take a turn off subject. Apparently some delve too deeply into my simple statement of "Thank Goodness" that can be taken in more than ONE context. Oh well, Thanks for all the answers though.

 

[BlackthornGSD]

Okay, I just got Riley's AKC paper's in and I did a little bit of research from pedigree database. It looks like Great grandpa, or great sire, However you want to say it was titled in SCHH3 and 34X IPO3 WUSV 3 TIMES Kkl 2. The name is Scott Von Haus Antverpa. Whatever that is. That is on Riley's dam's side. One of the Great Dams Ursel T Palmaleinehof was titled in 7X SCHH3, 10X IPO3, IWR3 Kkl 2.

On the Sire's side noone was titled or anything. I'm not sure exactly if the sire is American line or what. I can't find anything.

Antverpa and Palmeinehof are two very good Belgian working-line kennels.

If you got AKC papers on your dog, then many of the US schutzhund titles wouldn't show up, so lack of titles on an AKC pedigree doesn't *necessarily* mean lack of careful breeding. But it's also possible that someone just took their backyard dog and bred it to a nice import dog.

 

[Mrs.K]

He doesn't look purebred to me. Something is off. I could be wrong though.


edit: looks like I was wrong. Just read the last couple of posts.

 

[PaddyD]

Nice looking dog but not German-type or American show type. Shallow chest, no angulation. Looks like my son's dog, which was a very nice dog for 14 years.

 

[Heagler870]

So Paddy, are you saying he's not a German Shepherd or not a German Shepherd from Germany?

 

[PaddyD]

So Paddy, are you saying he's not a German Shepherd or not a German Shepherd from Germany?

I'm saying he's doesn't have that heavy German look. I'm sure there is a better word than 'heavy' ....... maybe 'substantial'. IMO he definitely looks to be a GSD but that's only one man's opinion.

 

[Heagler870]

I was just clarify what you meant by type. I could see that being taken in two different ways.

 

[GoSearchk9]

I think he is handsome!! I love the big blocky head! His ear set is a little too close for my liking but I am unbelievably picky with the ears!! Im glad that you got all that information, how cool!!

 

[Mrs.K]

I know what paddy means. He looks off. Just not like the German Shepherd I am used to. Almost a little wolfish because he doesn't have any angulation, short tail and the way he stands.

 

[Heagler870]

His tail isn't short. It's the way the photo is is shot. I know Riley has a really long tail and it curves a bit at the end. I've gotten some comments on why is his tail so long. My parents think its a little too long too. I should post a picture of Riley's back end. lol

 

[Mrs.K]

How does it curve? Does it curve all the way into a circle?

 

[Heagler870]

Looks like a question mark almost. Not all the way in a circle.It's not a huge curve, its just noticeable. When he poos it straightens out. lol

 

[IntheDawgHaus]

Because I am pro spay/neutering your animals when you don't intend on breeding! Is that a problem for you?

GOOD FOR YOU. There should be more quality dogs, not just more dogs.
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