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So Athena has started spotting today. Thus far Rosko has shown a lot less interest than he has in the past. However, I am sure that will change. Should I crate and rotate starting now or just make sure I or someone is supervising constantly. I read that she won't accept a male for a week or so but I definitely don't wanna take any chances. And Apollo being only 4 1/2 months old. Do I need to worry about him or is he still too young to be a concern.
 

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Another question. Athena is on the far right Rosko is middle Apollo far left. There is 4 1/2 inches between the crates. Can I still put Athena in here while working or just to be safe crate her up iny office?
 

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He's too young, but for his happiness I would crate one of them away from the other. I personally prefer to separate the boys from the girls when one is in heat.
 

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Be prepared for the possibility of male to male aggression at this time.

Do you have a friend or family member you can leave her with for a week?

Your males might howl, so might she. How close are your neighbors?
 

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I have close neighbors but we'll see how the howling thing goes. As far as somewhere to stay for a week I don't. But I thought heat lasted 3-4 weeks. I am totally OK with less.
 

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I have close neighbors but we'll see how the howling thing goes. As far as somewhere to stay for a week I don't. But I thought heat lasted 3-4 weeks. I am totally OK with less.
LOL!

I find they fuss for about a week to ten days before things progress to mooing, possible aggression, maybe some destruction and other fun hair pulling activities for the second week with things tapering off the third week but still watch.

I do believe you said you have a son? You may want to monitor any interaction especially those first two weeks. It should not be a problem but things can happen.
 

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All dogs react differently in season, as in some may be needy, clingy, grouchy, picky, moody, etc.. And I've had some that if I hadn't seen the physical part of being in season I wouldn't have known they were in season. They didn't change at all. My Doberman was perfectly normal in temperament in every way, except she wanted a boyfriend, even if that meant jumping the fence to go find one. Don't let her out alone and I'd even consider keeping a long leash on her.
 

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LOL!

I find they fuss for about a week to ten days before things progress to mooing, possible aggression, maybe some destruction and other fun hair pulling activities for the second week with things tapering off the third week but still watch.

I do believe you said you have a son? You may want to monitor any interaction especially those first two weeks. It should not be a problem but things can happen.
I am gonna go pick up a couple pieces of privacy fence tomorrow. So I can close her off a 20x30 section of my existing privacy fence so she can be out side and enjoy herself. The rest of the yard is chain link and there are more than enough intact males around here. I'm also gonna pick up a crate not the wire kind but plastic or whatever so I can crate her without having to worry about Rosko.
Hopefully with Apollo being so young, he is very much still fully in his puppy phase. Like where Rosko and Athena was at 3 months. There won't be any aggression issues. Plus Rosko is very much laid back. Hopefully nothing. If so I'll just crate and rotate all of them. Until this is over. As far as my son. You mean from the male dogs or the female.
 

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All dogs react differently in season, as in some may be needy, clingy, grouchy, picky, moody, etc.. And I've had some that if I hadn't seen the physical part of being in season I wouldn't have known they were in season. They didn't change at all. My Doberman was perfectly normal in temperament in every way, except she wanted a boyfriend, even if that meant jumping the fence to go find one. Don't let her out alone and I'd even consider keeping a long leash on her.
I'll make sure to put a, long line on her while I pit her in her privacy fence. I would say she'll be fine in a six foot fence but I have seen her jump almost that with a 2 step jump.
 

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I am gonna go pick up a couple pieces of privacy fence tomorrow. So I can close her off a 20x30 section of my existing privacy fence so she can be out side and enjoy herself. The rest of the yard is chain link and there are more than enough intact males around here. I'm also gonna pick up a crate not the wire kind but plastic or whatever so I can crate her without having to worry about Rosko.
Hopefully with Apollo being so young, he is very much still fully in his puppy phase. Like where Rosko and Athena was at 3 months. There won't be any aggression issues. Plus Rosko is very much laid back. Hopefully nothing. If so I'll just crate and rotate all of them. Until this is over. As far as my son. You mean from the male dogs or the female.
It can go either way. I know of some females that get bitchy when they are in heat, that shouldn't surprise you. :) Males can get aggressive too and there have been a few incidents involving males attacking when females are in heat.
 

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This is her look for a while. The boy is callling her little Wayne. I was told he's a rap guy who wears baggy pants exposing his boxers.
 

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How old is she? Just curious.
She is 6 1/2 months. I read where others GSD's didn't go into heat until like 10 months. I was hoping that would be our time frame also but I guess we get it put of the way now. If she waits another 6 months from this heat that would put her back in around April. So at least her cycles fall when it's warmer out and the boys and myself and her and myself can enjoy ourselves outside. So I guess it kind of works out.
 

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Another question. What about training. If she is a willing participant is there any reason I shouldn't train during this time. I half expect her to be a ball of hormones and not care to listen or work but we'll have a lot of one on one time. Would hate to waste it.
 

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My girl just finished her second heat and she was the same for training. She sniffed a lot more and became more vocal towards other dogs. A little bit of a quick temper but not too bad. Besides putting a diaper on her in the house, she's been a lot the same.
 

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It's the two boys that are going to be tougher to handle than the girl, at least in my experience. My two males, who get along great outside of heat cycles, get nasty with each other during heat, and I separate them. There is a lot of whining and howling from the boys. The girls are flirty, and a bit more weird with each other which I watch, but nothing crazy. I train right through the heat cycles. I switch to mountain biking during the heat cycle to make sure everyone gets a good run in, and that helps a lot.

My girls cycle together, but consecutively, I have about another week to go. It's a hassle, and time consuming, but it's something I am OK with doing for several reasons.

You do need to be alert to behavior weirdness for both the boys and the girls. One of my girls is pretty snippy for about 48 hours. I'd watch the kids around all the dogs, separate when you are not actively involved. With just a female, it would be hardly noticeable and barely annoying, but if you have at least three, especially when two are males, it gets a bit more, um, exciting. And be prepared for craziness from the males- dogs who never broke out of crates, or scratch at doors, or jumped fences, they will. Containment is crucial, be prepared.
 

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I wouldn't worry too much about male/male aggression, that baby is too young, and I wouldn't be forgiving of a dog that would go after a puppy that isn't sexually mature yet, bitch in heat or not. He isn't a rival, yet.

Yeah, you can crate them all together, but that really depends on your dog. Some dogs will tear up crates and walls to get at bitches, and it might be kinder to crate her in another room or on another floor. Usually it is just about 3 days of standing heat where the boy will whine and root and the bitch will be just as intent on getting to him as he is at getting to her.

As for training, I usually don't want to deal with diapers at training classes, so when my bitches go in heat, I substitute a dog in their place. That works for me. Girl goes on vacation for about 3 weeks.

I have blue denim bitch diapers that we use in the house, if I kennel her outside, that's easier.

As for leaving dogs with bitches in heat, I don't generally. The minute the bitch goes in heat, my dogs want to do a major sniff job on her the moment they are close enough and that just goes from bad to worse. Easier to crate and rotate, than to try and supervise that mess. And NEVER trust someone else, not your spouse, not your kid, not your aunt Helen, not the babysitter. Because it seems like 90% of oopses are reported as, "my son..." or "my husband..." or "my brother in law's nephew..." No matter what they say, never expect anyone is as adamant as you are that the bitch will not be bred.

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It's the two boys that are going to be tougher to handle than the girl, at least in my experience. My two males, who get along great outside of heat cycles, get nasty with each other during heat, and I separate them. There is a lot of whining and howling from the boys. The girls are flirty, and a bit more weird with each other which I watch, but nothing crazy. I train right through the heat cycles. I switch to mountain biking during the heat cycle to make sure everyone gets a good run in, and that helps a lot.

My girls cycle together, but consecutively, I have about another week to go. It's a hassle, and time consuming, but it's something I am OK with doing for several reasons.

You do need to be alert to behavior weirdness for both the boys and the girls. One of my girls is pretty snippy for about 48 hours. I'd watch the kids around all the dogs, separate when you are not actively involved. With just a female, it would be hardly noticeable and barely annoying, but if you have at least three, especially when two are males, it gets a bit more, um, exciting. And be prepared for craziness from the males- dogs who never broke out of crates, or scratch at doors, or jumped fences, they will. Containment is crucial, be prepared.
It depends on the dogs. It isn't always all that hard. I have 3 dogs, two are intact. None whine or get loose, or my kennels are secure. But one of my young males goes off his feed, when a bitch is in standing heat. It is the neutered boy that acts like an intact boy when he is with a bitch in heat. And it is constant. Uhg! I cannot say they tied, but there was an awful lot of sex going on. Can't have the little girls over when Hepsi is in heat, or they will get an education.
 

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She is 6 1/2 months. I read where others GSD's didn't go into heat until like 10 months. I was hoping that would be our time frame also but I guess we get it put of the way now. If she waits another 6 months from this heat that would put her back in around April. So at least her cycles fall when it's warmer out and the boys and myself and her and myself can enjoy ourselves outside. So I guess it kind of works out.
Wow that is pretty early! When I had a female and she went into heat at about 9 months.
 
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