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Ok, i got Bella around the end of may when she was about 6 months old. it only took about a week before she would come when called and knew how to sit and lay down on command. We used to live in a house on 3 unfenced acres(we just moved on Friday the 25, to a house on 12 acres in the country and i'm going to put cattle panels around 8 of the acres soon.)
Well anyway our next door neighbor had a pair of 8 year old standard poodles Dan a male and Ann a female, Dan still intact. Well one day, near the end of bellas first heat, mom let her outside at around 7am after she woke up and went to let her back in about 15 min later(she knew to always stay in the yard). Well long story short she decided to pay Dan a visit and i ran out to go get her and saw Dan humping her. This was around the end of august. Bella was born September 25th 2012.

well for the past month or so the skin around her nipples has seemed a bit puffy and when she sits the skin between her back legs sags a bit which it hasn't before.

What im wondering is if you think she is pregnant or if this is a false pregnancy? I never wanted this to happen. We planned on waiting till she reached 2 before breeding her to a GSD. The one good thing about all this is they both have papers and both have good hips.
 

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Take her to a vet for x-ray or ultrasound...then at least you'll know for sure and how many pups may be expected. Papers mean nothing in this scenario....
If she is not yet two, how was it determined that her hips were good?
 

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Well, if she is pregnant, then puppies are due in a week more or less. Who cares about registration papers with mutt puppies?

All bets are off when you have a bitch in heat. You cannot expect a bitch in standing heat to stay in her yard, especially a puppy. You flunked this test. The chances are overwhelmingly in favor of your bitch being pregnant. It could be a false pregnancy, but she is young and probably fertile, most likely there is no reason for it not to have taken.

Two choices now are spay/abort or have the litter and find homes for a bunch of shepherdoodles. At a year old, your bitch is likely full grown, she is young but probably strong enough to have the puppies. Shepherd pups are normally long and skinny so there may not be any complications -- don't count on this, get a book so that you can recognize the signs of trouble and get help if you need it. Youngsters sometimes are not ready to have puppies, so great care is needed for the first few days to ensure that she is fully taking on her role. Plan to take a week off of work if you are working.

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Shepadoodle

well apparently Shepadoodles are a real breed(well crossbreed anyway) and people actually breed them and sell them. I'm a 11th grade Homeschooler so i have plenty of time to take care of pups and they would be sent to good homes. I am an animal lover and volunteer at a pet resort/pet hospital (im going to be a vet tech) so i have seen lots of surgery and my dad is in the medical field and tells us stories about work that sound like there from a horror movie, so i am not squeamish at all. I already have a couple of people that would love to have a puppy if there are any. Her breeder she came from is very reputable and has never taken a dog in with bad hips so that increases Bella's chances of having good hips.
I know some of you turn your noses up at any dog that isn't purebred and think I'm just a stupid high schooler but i have assisted in birthing 2 litters before(Chihuahua and a Great Dane) when they were short handed at the pet hospital so i know what should and could happen. I did a whole lot of research about breeding and birthing puppies a few months before we even got her.
 

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Go to the vet and have her checked to see if she is really pregnant so that you can plan properly. And if she is pregnant, do consider a spay/abort. Bella is essentially just a puppy herself still, mentally and physically, and is too young to be asking her to take on the job of whelping and raising a litter.

The world does not need more mutt puppies from unproven, unhealth tested dogs even if people do like to slap cute names like "Shepadoodles" on them in order to market them to the ignorant pet owning population. Shelters are full of mixed breed, and purebred, dogs from this sort of ill advised breeding. Good, responsible breeders of purebred dogs are always welcome and the breeds need new breeders of this type in order to be preserved. However having a mixed breed litter, and future planning of a purebred litter without intending to train, title, health test the breeding stock and put a lot of research into bloodlines and pedigrees in order to ensure a good genetic match, are not the ways to start out becoming a good breeder. There is a LOT to good breeding beyond the science/medical aspect and being able to whelp and care for pups. Actually, that is the smallest part of being a good breeder.
 

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I know some of you turn your noses up at any dog that isn't purebred and think I'm just a stupid high schooler but i have assisted in birthing 2 litters before(Chihuahua and a Great Dane) when they were short handed at the pet hospital so i know what should and could happen. I did a whole lot of research about breeding and birthing puppies a few months before we even got her.
Please make no mistake. I don't think there is a single person on this forum who thumbs their noses at mixed breed dogs. Many, many of us have mixes.

There are also many, many members on this forum who are still in school, living with their parents.

My concern is solely for your puppy having puppies.
 

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Thank you for your responses, it has helped alot. We are taking her to the vet next week to see if she really is pregnant.
 

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Shepadoodles? Don't believe I've heard that one, but i guess you can combine anything with "doodle" these days to make it sound legit. Not a real breed though - these puppies are mutts.

Definitely get her to the vet asap. If you can do an emergency spay - i'd go that route.
 

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Go to the vet and have her checked to see if she is really pregnant so that you can plan properly. And if she is pregnant, do consider a spay/abort. Bella is essentially just a puppy herself still, mentally and physically, and is too young to be asking her to take on the job of whelping and raising a litter.

The world does not need more mutt puppies from unproven, unhealth tested dogs even if people do like to slap cute names like "Shepadoodles" on them in order to market them to the ignorant pet owning population. Shelters are full of mixed breed, and purebred, dogs from this sort of ill advised breeding. Good, responsible breeders of purebred dogs are always welcome and the breeds need new breeders of this type in order to be preserved. However having a mixed breed litter, and future planning of a purebred litter without intending to train, title, health test the breeding stock and put a lot of research into bloodlines and pedigrees in order to ensure a good genetic match, are not the ways to start out becoming a good breeder. There is a LOT to good breeding beyond the science/medical aspect and being able to whelp and care for pups. Actually, that is the smallest part of being a good breeder.
Can't say it better than that. Nobody here is going to support the breeding of "Shepadoodles" but some people may offer advice, though in reality you need to consult your veterinarian and work with your vet.

Nobody here has anything bad to say about mixed breed dogs, we all love them and many own mixed breeds themselves. What the community doesn't like is irresponsible breeding.
 

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Um, if she was bred at the end of August, you probably don't have until next week. Get your pup to the vet today. Since your mom turned her loose while in heat, she should at least be willing to get her checked. I'd say its way too late for a spay/abort, but hopefully it'll be a small litter.

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Dogs have a 9 week gestation. If she was with the male at the end of August, pups would be due any day now and you can't wait until next week to go to the vet. If she was with the male earlier in August, she is already overdue in which case she probably isn't pregnant.
 

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Lol at "designer breeds"

Oh you mean mixes? Nothing wrong with them, but mixes.

Saw someone on Craigslist looking for a Germaskan Shepsky or some bs I was like are you kidding me who invents these things.


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Thank you for your responses, it has helped alot. We are taking her to the vet next week to see if she really is pregnant.
What has helped alot? Everyone said get her to the vet soon(ASAP), not next week. You seem to only have posted this thread to get some sort of approval on breeding your young female. If she is pregnant, hopefully she has an easy whelp with no complications.
 

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You are in the 11th grade, so basically an adult, or at least trying to make adult decisions about your future. However, blaming your mother for letting your dog get stuck with the neighbor's is pretty immature. Take your lumps. You have an intact bitch puppy, and you did not properly supervise her while she was in heat. Perhaps you wanted puppies too badly and allowed her to get pregnant with the neighbor's poodle.

If you are helping out at a veterinary surgery, then you really ought to know better. You ought to know that 75% of dogs in shelters come from people just like you, who let their dogs mix with any other dog, and made a litter of adorable puppies that have to be given away for free, or a pittance. Easy come, easy go. When the pups are big enough to be not quite so cute anymore, and require training and possibly behavior modification, off to the shelter they go. And unless they are EXTREMELY lucky, to the gas chamber or euthanized in a handful of other ways.

Maybe as you have been home-schooled, you have been sheltered about what happens with all the unwanted puppies in the world. It is not usually 8 week old puppies that land in the shelter, and if so, they might find homes, if they do not succumb to the diseases that are floating around in the shelters. But you, of course, have several people who want puppies.

Ok. They want mutt puppies? Fine. What about after the puppies are here, are they still going to actually want a puppy or will you find that their parents said no, or that they really wanted a German Shepherd puppy, or that they feel that this isn't a good time for them to get a dog. Friends and relatives run for the hills when puppies are getting ready to go to their new homes.

For a minimum of six weeks, your puppy is going to have to be a momma to a bunch of puppies. She is still very much a puppy. This can and probably will grow her up some. Some young bitches actually kill and eat their puppies. Be VERY careful until the umbilical cords fall off. This is an extreme, but I do know someone whose bitch did this.

Other things that can happen, is that an inexperienced bitch can bite the umbilical cords off wrong, and pull intestines out, so you might want to do this for her, cutting them off, and tying them. A young bitch might become very aggressive with you and not let you touch her puppies -- not unheard of. A youngster can be very nervous, and if the puppies survive the nervous behavior where she can trample them, and even kill them because of how freaked out she gets about anything, the puppies will get that nervousness from her. You have to ensure that she is in a quiet area where there are no other critters or people running in and out making her nervous.

I am actually sorry that you are going through this. There is a lot that can happen. If the puppies die in utero, they can be resorbed by your bitch, or they can decay in there and cause a life-threatening infection.
You're a teenager, and you assisted with two whelpings under pretty ideal circumstances, specifically an experienced adult was present. It is possible for this to go without a hitch, and then we are all just hags on a forum that wanted you to render your bitch sterile and kill the pups. The thing is, that there are many things that can go wrong, and the future for these babies isn't so bright either, and your pup shouldn't be pregnant at all, and that is your fault.

The responsible thing to do is to confirm pregnancy, and if she is, a spay/abort now, today or tomorrow. That really is a decision though that you need to make and you should include your parents in this decision.
 

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oops she was bred around the end of september.

But anyway, first of all i CHOOSE to become a homeschooler ive been doing it since 10th grade because i hated all the bullcrap and drama in public school. I know whats going on in the world cause i happen to be an online homeschooler and have a facebook. My life is most definitely not sheltered.
Second of all i DID NOT want her to get prego this young, especially to a standard poodle. Anybody that would purposely do this, is missing a few screws.
I started this thread so i could get answers on if you thought she was pregnant and any tips you might have. I DID NOT come here to be judged about what a terrible owner i am and how i dont deserve a dog if im going to let this happen. If i wanted some crap like some people posted(a few of you had good replys) i would have gone to yahoo answers ,but i figured here might be more reliable.
 

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oops she was bred around the end of september.

But anyway, first of all i CHOOSE to become a homeschooler ive been doing it since 10th grade because i hated all the bullcrap and drama in public school. I know whats going on in the world cause i happen to be an online homeschooler and have a facebook. My life is most definitely not sheltered.
Second of all i DID NOT want her to get prego this young, especially to a standard poodle. Anybody that would purposely do this, is missing a few screws.
I started this thread so i could get answers on if you thought she was pregnant and any tips you might have. I DID NOT come here to be judged about what a terrible owner i am and how i dont deserve a dog if im going to let this happen. If i wanted some crap like some people posted(a few of you had good replys) i would have gone to yahoo answers ,but i figured here might be more reliable.
I promised myself I would no longer waste time on these types of threads...most here would still be just as appalled if you waited until she was two and bred her to some male you found....you don't know what you are doing....the problems you are contributing to the breed, and the danger you are willing to put your female into.....It's posts like these where I think crazy Dave Taggert is on to something with people needing a license and a psyche eval to own a dog let alone breed it....my heart goes out to your female....there is a thread going around right now of a person that lost their female after it birthed 12 puppies...now she has 12 puppies....no more beloved pet mother....and a crud ton of other problems....yuck yuck yuck.
 

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I agree with the others, take her to the vet as soon as possible..it might be to late to abort:( Hope you are fully aware of all the things that can go wrong birthing a litter, Like Dani pointed out, another poster has 12 puppies and mom is dead:(((

This is so sad:( So easily preventable:(

Shepadoodle is not a breed, it's a mutt. Great that some would take a puppy, what will you do if she is pregnant, ends up with 12 and you can only find homes for two?
 

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Things like this make me so upset. Get her to the vet ASAP. As the poster on the other thread lost the dam, the dam from the litter of puppies I am getting in 4 weeks also lost her life after c section. Vet said her body became toxic. So many things can go wrong and no one seems responsible enough it seems to do the right thing
 
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