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Who will take a dog like this and rehab him safely? Most people who can handle this, already have dogs and are hard to find. I wouldn't trust rescues to find him a home either.
Question to the OP: are YOU afraid of him?
 

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A dog with proper temperament is not a loaded gun around strangers or strange dogs unless it is trained to be that way. A dog with proper temperament can demonstrate aggression, but takes his cues from his owner. Most dogs of excellent character NEVER act out the way this dog is doing. This behavior is more like a dog that is so reactive that he is a danger, that is weak nerve, not strong anything. But I haven't seen the dog, lived with the dog, and do not want to judge a dog on just what the owner types in a moment in time and space. On the other hand, if the owner is feeling that the dog is dangerous, then it probably is, and an owner should not feel judged for taking action that can't be easy.
 

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If the dog has a solid recall, downs at distance, heels on command, and is kept on leash or in sight at all times, he is not a liability.

Another dog can rush you, sure, but there are ways to fairly easily fend off a loose dog. If your dog is under control, it is unlikely that there will be issues if the owner is proactive.

I'm on board with euthanizing if the dog is unpredictable and aggressive to his own family. I am not if the dog is simply stranger or other dog aggressive. In this case, the dog might be putting on a big show, and has learned that it works. It may not make a ton of difference in terms of training, but he may not be truly dog-human aggressive- as in eager to go forward and actually pick a fight. Often, a dog like this will go into avoidance fairly easily, and it's pretty easy to transition this dog from avoidance to indifference (aloof).

Almost always, a dog like that can be managed and trained for life in a way that will give the dog quality of life while keeping others safe.
I agree. I managed a rescue that desperately needed a home and gave him a wonderful life. After a few years, he was able to be around people who were not afraid of him, but it took a lot of work on our parts. I don’t fault the OP if they want to rehome the dog, but it’s not clear to me the dog needs to be euthanized.

Euthanization is permanent and I don’t think we should be telling the OP to do that, but offering support if that is what they decide to do. Like you and others, I see that they still have options. If they run through all of them and still can’t find another home for the dog, then they may not have a choice. Right now, they do.
 

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Who will take a dog like this and rehab him safely? Most people who can handle this, already have dogs and are hard to find. I wouldn't trust rescues to find him a home either.
Question to the OP: are YOU afraid of him?
Rescues won’t take a dog with a bite history but a good rescue with a trainer on board and experienced foster families will take one with aggression. One of my local rescues took a WL dog that was given to them because the owners, who had the dog as a puppy, felt the dog was dangerous at 18 months. Not only wasn’t the dog evaluated to be a danger, they found it had good working drive. A LEO, not a K9 handler, took the dog as a pet, worked with their department K9 officers in their free time, and was able to title the dog in sports. It’s not a dog that will take well to strangers even after that, but it makes a great sport pet. So, yes, there are people who will take on a challenge if they are prepared for it.
 

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So a dog that has not bitten. Might be civil. Shows traits that can translate into a good working dog. Should be euthanized. Sight unseen.
Who's to say the OP wouldn't just be better off with a lab?
This breed should have a modicum of human aggression. Should be a strong dog, not a powder puff. Dog aggression happens.

I know people with dogs that will bite. My female will bite. My male has held someone at the door. Does that mean they should be euthanized?

I think people on here are awfully quick to euthanize a perfectly fine dog with not knowing all the facts.
Yes there are dogs that should be euthanized, but I dont see anything that has been posted that says to kill the dog.

It's a shame that the euthanasia drum gets beaten so quickly for a dog that hasn't done anything wrong.
 

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Rescues won’t take a dog with a bite history but a good rescue with a trainer on board and experienced foster families will take one with aggression. One of my local rescues took a WL dog that was given to them because the owners, who had the dog as a puppy, felt the dog was dangerous at 18 months. Not only wasn’t the dog evaluated to be a danger, they found it had good working drive. A LEO, not a K9 handler, took the dog as a pet, worked with their department K9 officers in their free time, and was able to title the dog in sports. It’s not a dog that will take well to strangers even after that, but it makes a great sport pet. So, yes, there are people who will take on a challenge if they are prepared for it.
There are people who live in remote or bad areas and business owners that want and have a need for such a dog. I remember a dog similar to this was dumped in a local shelter. I was in the market for a dog at the time and called. The shelter said a rescue had already taken the dog and that they were getting a ton of phone calls inquiring about him. The homes are there, the effort just needs to be made to find and screen the homes.
 

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So a dog that has not bitten. Might be civil. Shows traits that can translate into a good working dog. Should be euthanized. Sight unseen.
Who's to say the OP wouldn't just be better off with a lab?
This breed should have a modicum of human aggression. Should be a strong dog, not a powder puff. Dog aggression happens.

I know people with dogs that will bite. My female will bite. My male has held someone at the door. Does that mean they should be euthanized?

I think people on here are awfully quick to euthanize a perfectly fine dog with not knowing all the facts.
Yes there are dogs that should be euthanized, but I dont see anything that has been posted that says to kill the dog.

It's a shame that the euthanasia drum gets beaten so quickly for a dog that hasn't done anything wrong.
Just going off of the first post, I get the impression that OP is weary of controlling and managing this dog. It is not the dog's fault. His owner just doesn't want the responsibility, liability and work involved anymore. Yes, for some people it can be demanding and overwhelming. That doesn't mean they should kill the dog or be encouraged to kill the dog by members of this forum.
 

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There are people who live in remote or bad areas and business owners that want and have a need for such a dog. I remember a dog similar to this was dumped in a local shelter. I was in the market for a dog at the time and called. The shelter said a rescue had already taken the dog and that they were getting a ton of phone calls inquiring about him. The homes are there, the effort just needs to be made to find and screen the homes.
I agree, we are confusing a dog that is warning off people and other dogs from getting too close with a dog that is attacking and harming any dog or person in its path. I was one of those people who was willing to foster a dog in need and found a hidden gem. The dog is giving off a warning, not attacking. I also agree it’s too much for the OP. If someone needs to have people in and out of their home and doesn’t have the ability to manage the dog, then it’s not a match, especially if there are children involved. People have the right to have a dog that is what they want. Dogs have a right to be raised in a home that wants and loves them. I may have mentioned that the trainer we used for our fear biter told us that 90% of his clients would have put that dog down. I answered that is why I have him rather than your other clients.
 

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Unless there is more going on this dog seems manageable, based on what we are told.
I have owned a few dogs that I walked at 4am, kept secured in locked yards or runs, crated when people visited, etc. It didn't bother me much but I wasn't a social butterfly to start with.
For the whole 13 years that Bud was with me, people learned to call before dropping by and I got pretty blunt about it. Signs on the fence clearly stated "Do Not Enter! Dogs Bites!" I had my phone number on the door, I contacted utility companies and had them note that I had an aggressive dog in the yard, I warned neighbors and delivery people and anyone who may come to my house. I padlocked gates and modified fences to prevent escape and I stayed vigilant. I wanted to take him places that we never went and I wished he had had a different start. I had what I had and I handled it.
If the OP is afraid of the dog, then this will not work. Otherwise it sounds like not that big a deal.
 

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So a dog that has not bitten. Might be civil. Shows traits that can translate into a good working dog. Should be euthanized. Sight unseen.
Who's to say the OP wouldn't just be better off with a lab?
This breed should have a modicum of human aggression. Should be a strong dog, not a powder puff. Dog aggression happens.

I know people with dogs that will bite. My female will bite. My male has held someone at the door. Does that mean they should be euthanized?

I think people on here are awfully quick to euthanize a perfectly fine dog with not knowing all the facts.
Yes there are dogs that should be euthanized, but I dont see anything that has been posted that says to kill the dog.

It's a shame that the euthanasia drum gets beaten so quickly for a dog that hasn't done anything wrong.
Once upon a time, I had a dog that reached the teenage stage and decided he wanted to be a butt-head around other dogs. I had him in PetsMart and he lunged at another dog. I had had him to puppy and basic classes, but decided I should get him back into classes, so I called another trainer and explained exactly what had happened.

The trainer thought I was bringing a dog that had already bit three people and chewed up and killed several pet dogs and cats. I finally figured out that folks might tend to minimize when they explain to a trainer what is going on with their dog.

Be that as it may be. The thing is, I think that far more people fail to do what they should when it comes to the disposition of a dog that exhibits inappropriate aggression.

I'm not a bit concerned that people are going to run and euthanize their pet for no reason. I think the opposite is true. I think more folks will try and try and try with a dog until they have lost all confidence in themselves as a dog owner. And then they will try and try and try to rehome a dog that shouldn't be rehomed at all. And it is true that most of the folks who can manage serious aggression in a dog, have enough dogs, and are in no position to take on a project-dog. And failing to rehome or give to a shelter or rescue with full disclosure, they will minimize or omit completely the problems the dog has to get him gone. Because they really cannot euthanize their pet, even if the dog is a serious danger. And then someone gets seriously injured.
 
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So a dog that has not bitten. Might be civil. Shows traits that can translate into a good working dog. Should be euthanized. Sight unseen.
Who's to say the OP wouldn't just be better off with a lab?
This breed should have a modicum of human aggression. Should be a strong dog, not a powder puff. Dog aggression happens.

I know people with dogs that will bite. My female will bite. My male has held someone at the door. Does that mean they should be euthanized?

I think people on here are awfully quick to euthanize a perfectly fine dog with not knowing all the facts.
Yes there are dogs that should be euthanized, but I dont see anything that has been posted that says to kill the dog.

It's a shame that the euthanasia drum gets beaten so quickly for a dog that hasn't done anything wrong.
I agree. There's also a human at the other end of the leash that is part of the equation, what kind of handling has this dog had?
 

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Once upon a time, I had a dog that reached the teenage stage and decided he wanted to be a butt-head around other dogs. I had him in PetsMart and he lunged at another dog. I had had him to puppy and basic classes, but decided I should get him back into classes, so I called another trainer and explained exactly what had happened.

The trainer thought I was bringing a dog that had already bit three people and chewed up and killed several pet dogs and cats. I finally figured out that folks might tend to minimize when they explain to a trainer what is going on with their dog.

Be that as it may be. The thing is, I think that far more people fail to do what they should when it comes to the disposition of a dog that exhibits inappropriate aggression.

I'm not a bit concerned that people are going to run and euthanize their pet for no reason. I think the opposite is true. I think more folks will try and try and try with a dog until they have lost all confidence in themselves as a dog owner. And then they will try and try and try to rehome a dog that shouldn't be rehomed at all. And it is true that most of the folks who can manage serious aggression in a dog, have enough dogs, and are in no position to take on a project-dog. And failing to rehome or give to a shelter or rescue with full disclosure, they will minimize or omit completely the problems the dog has to get him gone. Because they really cannot euthanize their pet, even if the dog is a serious danger. And then someone gets seriously injured.
Meh, there are plenty of people out there that would take an aggressive dog. Aggression is not a fault in a breed that should have aggression.

Are there dogs that should be euthanized? Yes. Ones that have actually bitten for an invalid reason. But this dog has done nothing wrong.
 

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So a dog that has not bitten. Might be civil. Shows traits that can translate into a good working dog. Should be euthanized. Sight unseen.
Who's to say the OP wouldn't just be better off with a lab?
This breed should have a modicum of human aggression. Should be a strong dog, not a powder puff. Dog aggression happens.

I know people with dogs that will bite. My female will bite. My male has held someone at the door. Does that mean they should be euthanized?

I think people on here are awfully quick to euthanize a perfectly fine dog with not knowing all the facts.
Yes there are dogs that should be euthanized, but I dont see anything that has been posted that says to kill the dog.

It's a shame that the euthanasia drum gets beaten so quickly for a dog that hasn't done anything wrong.
My personal opinion and observation on this forum is it really depends on the day of the week and which way the wind is blowing on this subject. Seriously depends on how an OP presents their situation. Search and you will find posts declaring a dog unsafe and must be euthanized. Then you will find just as many posts for the dog being judged to harshly and it's the owners fault and the dog should be rehomed to a proper home with training. The cases of each are many times very similar and depends on how the OP in each case comes across as an owner/handler IMHO.

Terminology: Aggressive or civil: Aggressive or defensive: Aggressive or protective; Aggressive or possessive: Aggressive due to lack of respect/training or not aggressive and just lacks boundries. Then you have overall temperament and genetics. And the list goes on.

Personally I can't say if this dog is truly aggressive or not. If I were to venture a guess based on the tone of the OP. The OP chose the wrong breed of dog and just can't handle what is in front of them. Or maybe just doesn't want to deal with what it takes to manage a breed that has protective, territorial traits by nature. Do I think this dog should be euthanized solely by what the OP has stated as issues...NO. Is it my dog ....NO. It's why I really dislike this type of thread. The OP wants validation from total strangers to do something that should only be done at the recommendation of professionals with experience with working breeds that have evaluated the dog in person.

Sorry for the rant...
@cloudpump I totally agree with you on this one!
 

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Once upon a time, I had a dog that reached the teenage stage and decided he wanted to be a butt-head around other dogs. I had him in PetsMart and he lunged at another dog. I had had him to puppy and basic classes, but decided I should get him back into classes, so I called another trainer and explained exactly what had happened.

The trainer thought I was bringing a dog that had already bit three people and chewed up and killed several pet dogs and cats. I finally figured out that folks might tend to minimize when they explain to a trainer what is going on with their dog.

Be that as it may be. The thing is, I think that far more people fail to do what they should when it comes to the disposition of a dog that exhibits inappropriate aggression.

I'm not a bit concerned that people are going to run and euthanize their pet for no reason. I think the opposite is true. I think more folks will try and try and try with a dog until they have lost all confidence in themselves as a dog owner. And then they will try and try and try to rehome a dog that shouldn't be rehomed at all. And it is true that most of the folks who can manage serious aggression in a dog, have enough dogs, and are in no position to take on a project-dog. And failing to rehome or give to a shelter or rescue with full disclosure, they will minimize or omit completely the problems the dog has to get him gone. Because they really cannot euthanize their pet, even if the dog is a serious danger. And then someone gets seriously injured.
I agree with you when a dog has inappropriate and out of control aggression. I also said no one who can’t handle it should have a dog like this. Only experienced and confident handlers who can manage the dog should own one like this. But so far this dog has not crossed a line. I don’t think anyone who is saying what I am here, would have a problem euthanizing a dog that is dangerous to everyone but I don’t hear that is the case from the OP.

An example of dangerous dogs. My neighbor rescued a mixed breed dog that was supposedly a Ridgeless Ridgeback. It was not. The female was pregnant. She took the dog home and when the puppies were born, the mother bit the vet and seriously hurt his hand. So as soon as the dog were weaned, her vet put the mother down and the woman kept two male puppies, also of undetermined parentage. I saw the dogs recently. They were muzzled and could not get near any other dogs. The woman mostly keeps them locked up in her yard and it’s likely those puppies are growing up to be just like the mom. I will not go near them, even though I met them as young puppies after the mother was gone. I was surprised she kept any, given how dangerous the mom was, but the vet said if she raised them right they would not bite. Maybe, maybe not. The difference is that mother dog gave no warning, she just ripped the vet open. No growl, nothing. The adoptive family could not get near her either. They threw her food on the kitchen floor and closed the door. It may have been because she was pregnant and scared, but to me that would not be acceptable aggression.
 

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I have never had a dog that has had aggression toward people since four months old, that it explodes if someone starts to approach, that requires tons of management and has been to several trainers. That isn't normal. And a dog that hasn't calmed down in 4 years? But as I have said, I haven't evaluated the dog. The owner has lived with the dog and is considering euthanasia. My guess is that the dog is beyond normal management/training/leadership. My guess is that he is stressing his owner out, seriously.
 
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The dog at least deserves an evaluation with an experienced German Shepherd handler who is familiar with this type of behavior, not just a pet dog trainer. We haven’t seen the dog. It’s possible we would agree with the OP. We can’t do that here, but someone local on the ground can.
 

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All of the things mentioned can easily be attributed to the owner / handler. That is no reason to kill off a dog.
I disagree. Human aggression at 4 months is not normal or good temperament, I don't care what the lines are, and I really don't care what the handler does. A four month old might if it is starving. A puppy that young does not have appropriate aggression toward humans.

So why do we think that management and multiple trainers, are signs that the owner is a bad owner?

At some point owners can throw in the towel on a dog. A GSD of good character usually has their owner won over by 4 years of age.
 
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Leash frustration can easily appear as human aggression. That is created and caused by the owner / handler.

Suspicion in a pup can be often be seen in a pup a few weeks old and it not considered abnormal in this breed. Remember, the standard says to guard and protect, suspicion and aggression comes with the territory.

Just because YOU don't like or want a puppy that shows signs of HA at 4 months does not mean that the puppy has bad character or bad temperament. It simply means that such a puppy is not your cup of tea.

Management should be practiced until reliable training is in place, that is on the owner. Choice of trainers is on the owner.

A mismatched GSD of good character with an owner that was looking for a sable Golden Retriever will never win its owner over at any age.

Just thought I would mention I recently saw a well bred litter advertised for sale where the breeder made a point of the puppies growling at the breeder when handled and they don't even have their eyes open yet. Do you think you can assess if a puppy has bad nerves at that age? I doubt it.

An owner can throw the towel in any time they want when a dog is not a good match or they simply tire of it. That still doesn't mean you kill off the dog.
 
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