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Okay, I need to just post this and get it over with. I am making myself sick worrying about this and I just cannot wait until Tuesday to make an appointment with an orthopedic surgeon and get some answers (or I pray an ease of mind...) So, if anyone knows ANYTHING regarding elbows, help me out.

Is a 10 month old male done growing? Could his elbow conformity still change..? Is it possible to not see Pano on the Xrays? Can the way the elbows were positioned for the xray drastically effect how they look?

My ten month old really shows ZERO signs of elbow problems, other than the two incidents, one of which was RIGHT after he jumped super high for a ball during training and when he landed, he was lame, and in pain. Went away in a few mins and for the next two weeks, NO PROBLEMS. Then the other night he got the lameness again with pain, and it went away within a minute, and he was back to normal? Honestly he doesnt not favor either leg, does not limp, or run weird, isnt stiff when awaking...jumps all over the place. He really has no issues which is why my mind is JUST BLOWN over this diagnosis. I still cant accept it.

I am having a real hard time toning his energy down. (no jumping, running etc.) We didnt go to schH training this week because of this either.

The vet told me he has an incongruent elbow joint in only ONE elbow. I mean, the difference between the two is SO slight.

If he really does have in-congruency in his elbow, I have seriously come to the conclusion that I have the WORST luck ever. :(

Ill attach the x-rays my GP vet did, incase anyone knows anything about elbow X-rays (although it looks like not many do)

We are getting a second opinion from an orthopedic surgeon at a very well regarded vet specialty center in this area ASAP. I called today but the surgeons will not be in until Tuesday. If needed, an MRI will be getting done when we go. This is just making me an anxious mess. I really just did not get any answers from my vet. I really dont know how bad his elbow is. I dont know HOW MUCH exercise he CAN have. Most of all, I just wanna know if this will eventually lead to elbow dysplasia...as my research has definitely pointed in that direction.

First one is left- right elbow, second is from the front. He was not put under so the placement is not perfect. Oh, and its his left elbow having the problems.

Want to add also - he was bit by a tick almost 3 weeks ago right above this leg.....too soon for any tick disease to pop up? Brought it up but vet said no.
 

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Oh no that sucks :(

I know how you feel, Hex had elbow dysplacia, similar to Berlin, but with him the uneven growth in the left front leg caused him to have a UAP (Ununited Anconeal Process). We noticed it at 4 month after he had a tumble playing with my older dog.
He's was intemittenly lame and would always turn his left foot outward a little when sitting - within a week I could feel swelling around the elbow joint and he's not fully weight bear when sitting as well :(

He had surgery to break the Ulna (which was to short) so it had a gap to relieve the pressure on the joint.
He healed up just about too quickly and we were tossing up wether the surgery would have to be repeated.
The specialist said to give him another month and that I just had to live with a dog that was never going to be "perfect".
He's been great, if you see him run now you'd have no idea he ever had a problem. You can feel it when your run your hands down his leg, he has thickening where to bone healed and a bit of scar tissue around the joint capsule.
I don't let him jump much and I don't take him jogging but I don't limit him running on his own playing with the other dogs. he has a nice trot and has full stretch at a gallop too.
He does gets a glucosamine joint support formula in his food every day.

Don't despair it's not the end of the world and Berlin will be able to do most things you want him too. It looks like you caught it before there was too much change in the joint so with a bit of luck he'll be good as new with a small surgery!

I'll attach Hex's x-ray so you have a comparison (he was sedated tho so they are at a more acute angle than yours) You can see the gap in the growth plate inside the circle
 

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Did just your vet look at the xrays, or did they send them out to be looked at by a board certified radiologist?

Most clinics send their xrays out digitally to be read by a board certified radiologist, average turn around time is a couple hours but you can pay extra to have them looked at right away.

If you have copies of the xrays, and they WEREN'T looked at by a radiologist (I'm guessing your clinic is closed?) then I would call around to emergency clinics in your area and just ask if they use a radiologist that reads their xrays, and if they would be willing to submit yours for review, for a fee of course. My emergency clinic charges just a radiologist review fee of 60$ for us to send in your xrays to our company that reads them.

That could at least get you a second opinion for today.

As far as position - again I know next to nothing about reading elbow xrays, give me hips and it's a different story ;) But it depends on what the concern is about. If you're looking at joint spacing for example then yes, you want the limb straight and perfectly aligned. It's the same reason OFA requires straight hips to check for dysplasia. OBVIOUS and severe defects can be noted at almost any angle, but for minor defects sometimes positioning does make a difference.

Good luck! Seriously though, for peace of mind, if you have copies try to see if you can get those xrays read today. Let us know if you find out anything additional!
 

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I second the post above me. Should have had the positioning better on X-rays, HAVE THEM LABELED (left and right), and sent off to radiologist first is how I feel. That is what we do. Nothing wrong with referring Either if you have that option since an orthopedic surgeon might give you more bang for your buck out of the appointment for this particular problem. I don't understand your exercise question though, if you are going tomorrow for your appt, and you are that worried, just keep him quiet. It's only one day. Of if you want to exercise him, then let him go and self adjust, he's not going to develop early arthritis or dysplasia because you let him play one day. Then at your appt ask their opinion on exercise.
 
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