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I had been doing some reading and I heard about an Eastern European variant of the German Shepherd. From what I remember the Russians imported a few German Shepherd Dogs in the 1930s and then crossbreeding with various husky types for better adaptability to the harsh Russian winters.

It's not currently recognized by the AKC or the FCI from what I saw. They were bred for Soviet military use originally like the Black Russian Terriers were.

I gather the GSD isn't quite as winter tolerant?
 

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Look like a GSD but liver colored is ok and sables are not desired....
 

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From Linda Shaw's "the GSD family"

Byelorussian Ovcharka. An attempt to recreate the GSD in the Soviet Union. In the 1930′s GSDs were crossed with Central Asian Ovcharkas, Russian Laikas and other local breeds, and was recognized as a separate breed in 1964. It began as a KGB prison dog, which preferred black or near black dogs, although all other GSD colours, as well as white and brindle, are accepted. Blue eyes also exist. It is a giant breed, at least 28 inches at the withers, preferrably taller. While touted as superior to the GSD, it’s huge size is a liability in most working venues, and it has yet to prove its abilities against German working lines.
Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. An FCI recognized Czech breed developed from a cross between the European wolf and the GSD, supposedly to produce a larger, healthier, super-shepherd. While similar to some Czech line GSDs in appearance, this dog has yet to participate in high level sport, although some take part in obedience and IPO sport. It is a light wolf grey in colour, and shows a more confident temperament than the Sarloos. Science is revealing that the domestic dog has evolved the capability to recognize human gestures and intonations of voice, an ability not possessed by the wolf. Dog and wolf should not be crossed again, and existing crosses should be selected for the dog’s more stable temperament.
 

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The EES was pretty much bred the way it is so they can handle the winter seasons in Russia better. My history teacher in high school was Russian and brought his EES over from Russia. He said they're just like GSDs but heavier coats and tolerate winters better than a standard GSD.

You're not likely going to find any EES here in the states unless owned directly by someone FROM Russia who brought them over with them. According to Mr. Koshevnikov that was the only way you were going to see them in the US or anywhere else outside of Russia. The Russians are very protective of their breed. If they're ever recognized by the AKC or FCI, it wouldn't be for a very very long time I'd think.

Mr. K brought his to class one day. Intimidating dog actually. He was a good dog, very well trained but nobody really had the guts to approach him. He was a VERY serious dog. Believe Mr. K said he was six or seven years old at the time.
 

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We discussed EES on this board before. Someone even translated a Russian article about the history of the breed. Here's the link if you are interested http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/police-k-9/179031-russian-police-k-9-training.html

Of note, if your GSD lives outdoors in Russia he will also develop a nice coat and will be just fine. I have somewhere a pic of a regular sable GSD from there, coat looks better then husky's, I'll post it if I find the pic.
 

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Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. An FCI recognized Czech breed developed from a cross between the European wolf and the GSD, supposedly to produce a larger, healthier, super-shepherd. While similar to some Czech line GSDs in appearance, this dog has yet to participate in high level sport, although some take part in obedience and IPO sport. It is a light wolf grey in colour, and shows a more confident temperament than the Sarloos. Science is revealing that the domestic dog has evolved the capability to recognize human gestures and intonations of voice, an ability not possessed by the wolf. Dog and wolf should not be crossed again, and existing crosses should be selected for the dog’s more stable temperament.

The Czech Vlcak is essentially a GSD in wolf's clothing! A hardy and courageous dog, not surprising given its Czech GSD lines ancestry, which is dominant despite the Carpathian Wolf contribution. There is a US breeder for it but its still quite rare. If you're expecting it to be a domesticated wolf, you're in for a disappointment despite its wild look. Think of it as a super GSD. Its not for the first time dog owner.
 

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Byelorussian Ovcharka. An attempt to recreate the GSD in the Soviet Union. In the 1930′s GSDs were crossed with Central Asian Ovcharkas, Russian Laikas and other local breeds, and was recognized as a separate breed in 1964. It began as a KGB prison dog, which preferred black or near black dogs, although all other GSD colours, as well as white and brindle, are accepted. Blue eyes also exist. It is a giant breed, at least 28 inches at the withers, preferrably taller. While touted as superior to the GSD, it’s huge size is a liability in most working venues, and it has yet to prove its abilities against German working lines.


The dog in the photo reminds me of my solid black GSD! The main issue with the Byelorussian Ovcharka isn't its beautiful appearance - is its size! Its just too big a dog for most people. The mainline GSD has the advantage because of its "Goldilocks" size - its neither too big nor too small and looks and feels "right." Bigness is not a virtue in most settings in which you want a dog! There is nothing to commend it (apart from size) over the GSD but for people looking into a King Shepherd or Shiloh Shepherd GSD-style dog, its a worthy alternative to consider. :cool:
 

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You get a beautiful and commanding dog! One used to have to go to Russia to import one but now there is a US breeder in Miami, FL:

http://www.russianshepherd.com/

Its not a dog for every one but it can be a pleasure to those wanting a super sized GSD!
 

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You're not likely going to find any EES here in the states unless owned directly by someone FROM Russia who brought them over with them. According to Mr. Koshevnikov that was the only way you were going to see them in the US or anywhere else outside of Russia. The Russians are very protective of their breed. If they're ever recognized by the AKC or FCI, it wouldn't be for a very very long time I'd think.


My friend, you're mistaken! There is an authorized US breeder for the EES in Miami FL. Its a rare breed though and if you're fortunate enough to acquire one of these beautiful dogs AND can live with having a giant-sized GSD - then you're blessed -

http://www.russianshepherd.com/

I can imagine well though a puppy will not be cheap! :D
 

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Those dogs are not giant sized, not super sized, please stop spreading misinformation. If you want a supersized dog please get a Caucasian ovcharka.
 

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Those dogs are not giant sized, not super sized, please stop spreading misinformation. If you want a supersized dog please get a Caucasian ovcharka.
Its 28 inches at the withers! A standard GSD is 24 inches at the withers. The EES is a still a VERY big dog - what else would you call it? And its not the same as a Caucasian Ovcharka - its a very different dog! ;)
 

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Well, American shepherds are giant dogs as well then, many of them are 28-30 inches. I know EES not from pictures and two paragraphs from the internet, but if you want to believe that Russian dogs are bigger and better then I'm all for it :)
 

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Well, American shepherds are giant dogs as well then, many of them are 28-30 inches. I know EES not from pictures and two paragraphs from the internet, but if you want to believe that Russian dogs are bigger and better then I'm all for it :)
Some people find the idea of a giant GSD cool. The bigger the dog, the better. To them, the standard GSD looks like a toy dog, lol :p
 

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You're not likely going to find any EES here in the states unless owned directly by someone FROM Russia who brought them over with them. According to Mr. Koshevnikov that was the only way you were going to see them in the US or anywhere else outside of Russia. The Russians are very protective of their breed. If they're ever recognized by the AKC or FCI, it wouldn't be for a very very long time I'd think.


My friend, you're mistaken! There is an authorized US breeder for the EES in Miami FL. Its a rare breed though and if you're fortunate enough to acquire one of these beautiful dogs AND can live with having a giant-sized GSD - then you're blessed -

RUSSIAN SHEPHERD TRYNEE IN MIAMI FLORIDA

I can imagine well though a puppy will not be cheap! :D

what exactly is it that makes them "Authorized"? I see nothing on their website other than them saying they are. There's no such thing. I'm telling you what I was told by a RUSSIAN who had an EES. Russia barely allows the dogs out of the country. They want to keep their dogs as close as possible.

I've wanted one for a while but without going to Russia myself and bringing one back, I don't trust anyone saying they're breeding the EES here. Could very easily be just oversized shepherds.
 

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It's a glorified large GSD...the Russians took the biggest GSDs they could, bred them to some other breeds, and then threw more GSD in there. That's why the dog looks like a German Shepherd.

Most Russians will tell you the dog isn't as smart or trainable as a GSD, but its larger and stronger so it is capable of doing more "working" type jobs. It was bred on the same idea as the Caucasian Ovcharka...most of the stock was GSD, just larger breeds introduced and also breeding the largest specimens of each generation.

If you wish to question my knowledge, I grew up in Eastern Europe...still have a lot of friends and family in Eastern Europe, and was praised for getting a GSD rather than any of their Russian "counterparts" as many prefer the German dogs anyways. The dogs in the United States (there are more breeders) have questionable temperaments due to such a small variety of genetics available and many times get crossed with GSD because no one can tell the difference anyways (especially with American dogs getting up to 30 inches as well).

As to getting recognized by the FCI or AKC...I wouldn't hold your breath. Too much GSD genetics and its pretty much a "variety" of GSD and therefor will never be allowed to register.
 

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It's a glorified large GSD...the Russians took the biggest GSDs they could, bred them to some other breeds, and then threw more GSD in there. That's why the dog looks like a German Shepherd.

Most Russians will tell you the dog isn't as smart or trainable as a GSD, but its larger and stronger so it is capable of doing more "working" type jobs. It was bred on the same idea as the Caucasian Ovcharka...most of the stock was GSD, just larger breeds introduced and also breeding the largest specimens of each generation.

If you wish to question my knowledge, I grew up in Eastern Europe...still have a lot of friends and family in Eastern Europe, and was praised for getting a GSD rather than any of their Russian "counterparts" as many prefer the German dogs anyways. The dogs in the United States (there are more breeders) have questionable temperaments due to such a small variety of genetics available and many times get crossed with GSD because no one can tell the difference anyways (especially with American dogs getting up to 30 inches as well).

As to getting recognized by the FCI or AKC...I wouldn't hold your breath. Too much GSD genetics and its pretty much a "variety" of GSD and therefor will never be allowed to register.

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I think with all these attempts of dog (GSD) and Wolf crosses there is a lot of romanticism , mythology , and commerce involved.

Why not coyote . Since one subspecies of Eastern Coyote is already quite mixed in DNA with "dog" and possibly minor notes of wolf . Coyotes and wolf "hate" each other and do not share territory .
Coyotes are very smart , resourceful and deal with our urban lives well . When you have a coyote running along the curbside in early morning in Toronto's Beach area - that is being comfortable with proximity to people.
So part of the answer to why not coyote is that it would not stir the imagination and attract people to wanting one.

So what other experiments have been done. Again in Russia there were attempts to create a dog with super olfactory skills to be used around the air bases , on airliners . That combination was a gene collection of indigenous reindeer driving dogs and a jackal .
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, "My dogs combine the qualities of Arctic reindeer herding dogs, which can work in temperatures as low as -70C" this is a quote from Sulimov . SEE , though , there was no reason or need to go into wolf hybrid when there were already dogs capable of living in minus 70C . Sulimov Dog

Russians breed superdog with a jackal's nose for bombs and drugs - Telegraph

Have a look at this from one of my favourite sciency shows Catalyst "Dog Brain" Catalyst: Dog Brain - ABC TV Science
 

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I'm certain an EES would consume a fair amount of food compared to other herding breeds like the Belgian Malinois (that's the herding breed I've got the most experience dealing with).

As to getting recognized by the FCI or AKC...I wouldn't hold your breath. Too much GSD genetics and its pretty much a "variety" of GSD and therefor will never be allowed to register.
I figured as much.

This topic came up because I had been reading a book on the Russian military and it mentioned something about 'large GSDs' and I became curious about GSDs in Russia and the EES was the first thing that came up on the google search.
 
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